Palpatine was draining life energy himself, so definitively he could resist it.
Vader discovered teachings of Ulic-Kel Droma about how to resist draining, so he, also, could resist it.
Dooku, while I don't think Plapatine taught him much and he never drained life energy, he put back Dark Reaper together himself, so out of convenience he probably learned how to resist it as well, so it couldn't backfire on him.
Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
Sidious is a black hole of the Force, remember? vin
Is it odd that I actually know of a way Palpatine could defeat Nihilus, despite his Giga-drain?
The clue is that none of Palpay's attacks, nor the attacks of any of the other Sith can do anything in terms of offensive power against Nihilus, because they will die, every time.
But there is a way around this.. or to be more precise, in front of this.
And I have developed a respect for this ybrotes_Sargon, and his attempts to make a good argument for the other side (seriously) so maybe I could prop this theory.
Palpatine was draining life energy himself, so definitively he could resist it.
Keep in mind that people who make flamethrowers don't become asbestos. You need something to defend this assertion better. Kreia likewise was a high level user of Force Drain, yet she was defenseless against Nihilus.
And I have developed a respect for this ybrotes_Sargon, and his attempts to make a good argument for the other side (seriously) so maybe I could prop this theory.
Spoiler:
Pro tip: He's Ideon-Gay.
Keep in mind that people who make flamethrowers don't become asbestos. You need something to defend this assertion better. Kreia likewise was a high level user of Force Drain, yet she was defenseless against Nihilus.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Keep in mind that people who make flamethrowers don't become asbestos. You need something to defend this assertion better. Kreia likewise was a high level user of Force Drain, yet she was defenseless against Nihilus.
Exactly.
Originally posted by Stealth MooseSpoiler:
Pro tip: He's Ideon-Gay.
He who shall not be named. 😛
Originally posted by Q99
Seems to me that his draining won't stop a bunch of lightsabers chucked at him.
It will, when they can't move to even use their lightsabers. 😛
Originally posted by Q99
There is a force-absorb-energy skill. Corran Horn is good at it, Vader used it in ESB, etc..And my response is always, 'stab them with a lightsaber first' counters just about anything.
If you use the conventional Force Absorb against Nihilus's contrastingly Planet-level Giga-drain - he'll simply out-absorb you and you'll lose the fight.
Also, the lightsaber-stabbing part is moot, as the Sith are likely standing apart from each other probably to some degree and not packed in like Sardines.
So, as you go for your saber, you get stunned/drained, and die.
- In other words - this battle needs far more than a one-dimensional sense of combat.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
The implication in KotOR II is that Nihilus is unable to be defeated without an unconventional defense - Surik's wound-like nature. While Anakin's Dark Reaper defense seems plausible, I don't know enough about its effectiveness to really defend or dismiss it as viable.
It seems like an apples/oranges thing.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Also, the lightsaber-stabbing part is moot, as the Sith are likely standing apart from each other probably to some degree and not packed in like Sardines.So, as you go for your saber, you get stunned/drained, and die.
Sabers can be thrown, many of the people here are really quick, Nihilus is focusing on something else at the time, and there's almost a dozen of them.
There's a reason sabers never fall out of fashion- no matter how uber the force power a lightsaber blade puts a stop to it right quick.
Nihilus gets a saber to the face like it or not.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Eating the force is eating the force rather it be with a spoon or a fork. I don't see the difference in the Dark Reaper and Nihilus' drain.
Except that isn't true. There are many types of Force drain, with different properties.
Nihilus's drain is only stoppable with a Force Wound and Nihilus himself is energy infused with armor - while the Dark Reaper is merely a machine.
They both drain the Force, and I'm sure there are ways to stop some Force drains - however that wasn't the case with Nihilus.
In that situation, no technique would save the day - only the Exile, and her unique nature, in correlation with Nihilus.
One size, does not fit all.
Originally posted by Q99
Sabers can be thrown, many of the people here are really quick, Nihilus is focusing on something else at the time, and there's almost a dozen of them.There's a reason sabers never fall out of fashion- no matter how uber the force power a lightsaber blade puts a stop to it right quick.
Nihilus gets a saber to the face like it or not.
Nihilus can nom hundreds and thousands of people, simultaneously and it only takes the beam a second to lock on and stun, especially in close-range.
The Sith might live long enough to realize they're going to die - but that's about as far as they get before Nihilus eats them. Like it or not.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Except that isn't true. There are many types of Force drain, with different properties.
The problem is there is no reason to believe that the Dark Reaper's drain isn't the same as Nihilus's. (By comparison Bane's drain turns people to ash.) Arguing that the drains are different is like arguing their is a difference between Sith Lightning and Force Lightning.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Nihilus's drain is only stoppable with a Force Wound and Nihilus himself is energy infused with armor - while the Dark Reaper is merely a machine.
Nihilus's ability isn't unique to him. Sith Assassins, Kreia, and Malak could all use it. So don't pretend being a wound or being some phantasm is required to use the ability.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
They both drain the Force, and I'm sure there are ways to stop some Force drains - however that wasn't the case with Nihilus.
Only according to Kreia and she claims there was no defense. And we know how correct that information ends up being.
Let's not forget that ability to resist draining also depends on power. What makes Nihilus irresistible is his overwhelming power on first place. Jedi in Kottor period were generally weaker. Bastilla with her battle meditation was something entirely unique. Revan was by all accounts considered extraordinary and the most powerful Jedi of that period. Kreia showed clear demonstration what those gathered Jedi were worth with their ignorance and fear.
Majority of named Sith themselves are immensely powerful, they can put up way stronger barriers, than Jedi and Sith of Kotor II period, assuming that they will get paralyzed and die in seconds like that embarrassing bunch of Jedi is ridiculous.
It will, when they can't move to even use their lightsabers.Force drain does not paralyze.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Nihilus can nom hundreds and thousands of people, simultaneously and it only takes the beam a second to lock on and stun, especially in close-range.The Sith might live long enough to realize they're going to die - but that's about as far as they get before Nihilus eats them. Like it or not.
Like it or not, it is still only your assumptions. Comparing normal people dying in seconds that can't use Force at all to highly powerful and trained Sith doesn't make sense.
With same success I could argue that because Palpatine with Force lightning turn stormtroopers into ashes within seconds, Yoda and all other Jedi might live long enough to realize they're going to die - but that's about as far as they get.
Originally posted by Arhael
Jedi in Kottor period were generally weaker.
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The KotOR campaign guide says this: "Even more so than in the Clone Wars, these are the days of the Jedi in their prime."
Now while this likely doesn't supersede Lucas's comment it should place the KotOR era Jedi as the second strongest.
Originally posted by ares834
😬The KotOR campaign guide says this: "Even more so than in the Clone Wars, these are the days of the Jedi in their prime."
Now while this likely doesn't supersede Lucas's comment it should place the KotOR era Jedi as the second strongest.
The concept of 'Golden Age of the Jedi' is open to various interpretations and does not necessarily hints on power or is restricted to this one particular aspect of the individuals. Of course, without significant opposition for about a 1000 years, the Jedi Order flourished and innovated. But this does not proves that majority of PT era Jedi were powerhouses. The sole reason for the downfall of PT era Jedi order was its lack of preparation to deal with the threat of Sith.