Thanos runs the gauntlet

Originally posted by quanchi112
I read the entire arc. I never said he was at full power

Good. You know he's not at full power, so stop using what happens to him there as evidence for anything.

For the record, when I say "depowered" I just mean that his power is greatly reduced by a plot point. I don't mean 100% powerless. Sorry if that was not clear.

I said Michael had the power to defeat all his opposition with a gesture. This includes Lucifer.

Sandy said he had the power to defeat all of them with a gesture. Lucifer wasn't among them. he wasn't even in the same realm. How obvious is this?

Damaging them did depower Michael

Making things up again. Show me in the comic where specifically damaging Michael's wings reduced his power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Of course he's fine in a universe where he is supreme. Lucifer's powers are dependent on his supreme being existing in his own universe. Lucifer also was in the void and unleashed his brother's power and created his own universe.

Think about that and realize that outside of creation, beings don't suffer from their distance from the Presence. It's only when the Presence leaves that things fall apart. That's why YHWH-made people can live in the void for years with no ill effects.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Good. You know he's not at full power, so stop using what happens to him there as evidence for anything.

For the record, when I say "depowered" I just mean that his power is greatly reduced by a plot point. I don't mean 100% powerless. Sorry if that was not clear.

Sandy said he had the power to defeat all of them with a gesture. Lucifer wasn't among them. he wasn't even in the same realm. How obvious is this?

Making things up again. Show me in the comic where specifically damaging Michael's wings reduced his power.

Michael still with power to defeat them with a mere gesture was still vulnerable to Sandolphon's attack. Michael was shown to capable of creating universes. His power level is on another level than Lucifer's entirely. Lucifer doesn't have his power. Lucifer has a sharper mind but power not anywhere close.

It's stated in the comic that this depowered him. I mean do I have to post another scan which you will blindly ignore ?

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Think about that and realize that outside of creation, beings don't suffer from their distance from the Presence. It's only when the Presence leaves that things fall apart. That's why YHWH-made people can live in the void for years with no ill effects.

Originally posted by quanchi112

It's stated in the comic that this depowered him. I mean do I have to post another scan which you will blindly ignore ?

Sure.

[QUOTE]Not every character is as dependent on the Presence as Lucifer is.

Yes they are. YHWH's creation was going to erase itself from existence, including every single person or being. This is explicit in the text. Everything outside of it, however, was safe regardless of its origin, like the people in the void.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Sure.

Yes they are. YHWH's creation was going to erase itself from existence, including every single person or being. This is explicit in the text. Everything outside of it, however, was safe regardless of its origin, like the people in the void.

Sigh. Let me plug in my hard drive because you want to make things difficult.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I meant everyone in comics. Lucifer and his universe is dependent whereas Thanos and marvel's isn't.

Just to play devil's advocate, how do you know? Has TOAA ever left?

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Just to play devil's advocate, how do you know? Has TOAA ever left?

Lucifer is weaker outside as proven in his comic. I don't have to disprove your negative. You need to prove it. You can't just throw what ifs without proof and act like it's a real point.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Wow, that's the first time you've ever shown evidence for something. Good effort.

Sadly it isn't very definitive. The simpler explanation that the damage to Michael's wings are an indication that he was weakening from the fight, not the specific cause of weakness.

How many times have you seen a comic villain point out a hero's injuries mid-battle? Fenris-Lucifer is just bragging that he's winning, not exposing an angel's secret weakness.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
Wow, that's the first time you've ever shown evidence for something. Good effort.

Sadly it isn't very definitive. The simpler explanation that the damage to Michael's wings are an indication that he was weakening from the fight, not the specific cause of weakness.

How many times have you seen a comic villain point out a hero's injuries mid-battle? Fenris-Lucifer is just bragging that he's winning, not exposing an angel's secret weakness.

If you believe based on Lucifer than an angel is at maximum capacity with his wings broken then you didn't comprehend Carey's work.

Michael also clearly didn't want to kill Lucifer while Lucifer was controlled by Fenris who outprepped him.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos left his own universe.

This doesn't address my question since, as I pointed out, YHWH's creations can leave his multiverse whenever they want with no ill effects. Lesser immortals lived in the void for eons. Leaving your Presence doesn't do harm--your Presence leaving you behind does harm. Never happened to Thanos, did it?

Lucifer is weaker outside as proven in his comic.

No. He is only weakened in YHWH's crumbling creation. Not in the forum or in the void, or any alternate multiverse. That's the only thing proven in the comic.

Originally posted by quanchi112
That's why I don't care to get scans because you will choose to pretend it has a different meaning.

It's not pretend. You think it means something very specific, despite evidence to the contrary. I think it's just a general taunt like we see in comics all the time, with nothing to sway me besides your theory.

If you believe based on Lucifer than an angel is at maximum capacity with his wings broken then you didn't comprehend Carey's work.

I believe that broken wings are a sign that an angel is hurt, just like a broken arm would be a sign that cyclops is hurt. But Cyclops doesn't store the bulk of his power in his arm and there's no indication anywhere in Lucifer than angels even need their wings to do anything but travel.

But hey, you want to hitch your wagon to one taunting comment, good luck with that in the battlezone.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
This doesn't address my question since, as I pointed out, YHWH's creations can leave his multiverse whenever they want with no ill effects. Lesser immortals lived in the void for eons. Leaving your Presence doesn't do harm--your Presence leaving you behind does harm. Never happened to Thanos, did it?

No. He is only weakened in YHWH's crumbling creation. Not in the forum or in the void, or any alternate multiverse. That's the only thing proven in the comic.

Lucifer is weaker when he leaves his universe. He is reliant on the supreme being of reality or else he loses power as time goes on. That's proven.

Originally posted by Dream Stuff
It's not pretend. You think it means something very specific, despite evidence to the contrary. I think it's just a general taunt like we see in comics all the time, with nothing to sway me besides your theory.

I believe that broken wings are a sign that an angel is hurt, just like a broken arm would be a sign that cyclops is hurt. But Cyclops doesn't store the bulk of his power in his arm and there's no indication anywhere in Lucifer than angels even need their wings to do anything but travel.

But hey, you want to hitch your wagon to one taunting comment, good luck with that in the battlezone.

So if my arm is broken then I am somehow at full power ? You can't possibly be serious. Wow. When it occurs you will be in for it. Anyone who thinks they are at full power with a broken limb probably was home schooled.

From 1-5 , Thanos can possibly survive .
6 onwards , he gets chumped .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
From 1-5 , Thanos can possibly survive .
6 onwards , he gets chumped .

Thanos stops at 6 and Tyrant finishes off what is left of him if he manages to best Odin.

Yeahhhhh he's not besting Odin... the whole rejected by death stuff is bull. He will just be embraced by Oblivion if not Death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

Based on the fact that everyone from 6 onward is way beyond his league .

And btw , 6 onwards he still gets chumped .

Originally posted by TheGodKiller
Based on the fact that everyone from 6 onward is way beyond his league .

And btw , 6 onwards he still gets chumped .

Originally posted by TheMask
Yeahhhhh he's not besting Odin... the whole rejected by death stuff is bull. He will just be embraced by Oblivion if not Death.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Saying someone is beyond him isn't the same as proving it or at least supporting it with reasoning. You need to read up on Thanos. My claims are supported on panel.

All the on-panel evidence indicates that everyone 6 onwards is way out of his league . Everyone agrees . Everyone except you .
Oh, and btw , 6 onwards Thanos gets chumped .