Originally posted by quanchi112
After that beating he should fear the Hulk.Thanos overpowered him on panel. He ordered him around. He slapped him on another occasion.
If anything he doesn't respect the Hulk. Your reading comprehension fails.
Weakness exploiting beating...I agree.
Thanos slapping Hulk doesn't mean that he can beat the Hulk in a prolong fight. This has been proven on numerous of occasions. Hitting the Hulk only piss him off.
Thanos fears facing the Hulk and hid behind shields against someone he compared to the Hulk.
Originally posted by carver9He beat the crap out of him. Then he used shields to anger and trick him into destroying the entire planet. He did so easily.
Hiding behind shields equal facing Champion.?
Originally posted by carver9Hulk had him beat prior to tossing him into radiation. Reread the scan.
Weakness exploiting beating...I agree.Thanos slapping Hulk doesn't mean that he can beat the Hulk in a prolong fight. This has been proven on numerous of occasions. Hitting the Hulk only piss him off.
Thanos fears facing the Hulk and hid behind shields against someone he compared to the Hulk.
Slapping him proves he doesn't fear him. That's what you claimed. Far less than Thanos has defeated the Hulk. Snake anyone ? LOL.
Thanos overpowered him. I'd argue Hulk fears Thanos since he always takes him on with others and listens to Thanos bark orders at him on occasion.
Thanos not being stupid isn't a sign of cowardice. Even if we know his durability is amazing there is no reason for him to take punches to the face from PG Champion when he can just block them. Using your powers isn't cheating/cowardice.
It's as ridiculous as when I hear some Hulk fans say this was a sneak attack: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Fights/ThorvsHulk47.jpg
Not fighting down to the level of the hulk is cheating these days I guess.
Originally posted by carver9
If you can't debate me without trying to throw someone under the bus, then don't reply to my post.As for your comment, Gladiator own heat vision backfired on him which was the reason Hulk found out about his radiation weakness...
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Hulk%20Fights%20F-M/HulkvsGladiator05.jpg
This is clearly PIS (even though I think Hulk could beat Gladiator) since Gladiator heat vision has never damaged him before but again, on panel, it was stated that Gladiator radiation from his eye blast damaged him which resulted in Hulk finding more radiation to dip Gladiator in.
All on panel buddy.
oi. his vision didn't 'backfire' on him. it was THRUST, offensively, back in his face, straight into his eyes. via the hulk. who has taken hella more than his vision powers in the past. how you perceive that as PIS is astounding and beyond me. has he ever taken his vision straight back in his eyes? for that matter, where did he withstand his own vision powers at all?
Originally posted by MF DELPH
I wouldn't go that far. His own heat vision took him out since it couldn't burn through Hulk's hand (inexplicably, as it was burning through his chest just fine), and the feed back knocked Gladiator out (also, inexplicably). From that point forward Hulk dominated an unconscious Gladiatior, but while he was conscious Gladiator was making a good showing of it. Hulk's main offense was the thunderclap that deafened Glads momentarially and they both fell to earth from re-entry (as Gladiator was taking Hulk to space to kill him), and jumping on Gladiator when he wasn't looking because he was arrogant enough to think he'd one-shotted Hulk. Hulk eventually won, but that was a circumstantial win if I ever did see one, particularly considering how fast Gladiator is, how much Hulk weighs, and how long it would normally take Gladiator to get from the ground to space (which would be faster than the time it would take for Hulk to realize what was happening, and clap Gladiator's head, while internally monologuing).All things in comics are plotted. Calling PIS on anything is a paradox since everything is PIS (Plot Induced Situations).
i agree with one part--glads made a pretty good show of it--and he SHOULD have. he's legit mid herald. i don't see it as circumstantial at all though. glads used his speed, strength and vision powers--none were enough. he was arrogant and fought in character. it did burn through hulk's chest, but it was burning through his hand too--i always figured it was the bone that stopped complete burn through. but, hulk has withstood massive temps and energy of all type before. i always thought it a little odd the vision burned through him as quickly and easily as it did so, meh, as you say, pis is paradoxical.
Originally posted by carver9Where in those sets of scans does Gladiator say he's fatigued?
Lol at you using scans of a fatigued Gladiator that j"ust got through running through an entire elite army" as some type of evidence. He was fatigued for one...http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/190/86433487.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/218/52609522.jpg/...and he underestimated his opponent, and again, this happened after taken on an entire army of super humans.
Lol at you bringing up Thor fight against Kurse when in a previous fight before this, in the same comic, Thor couldn't even drop a holding back Hulk...
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/1.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/2.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/3.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/4.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/5.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/6.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/7.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/8.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/9.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%208/10.jpgHolding back Hulk >>>Kurse.
Gladiator always had the magic weakness (which was shown during the Masterson fight)...it was just made plain and clear recently though through a quote.
Uuuummm, Gladiator lost to Hulk via weakness exploiting...Thor got 3 shotted by Hulk and went limp.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/1.jpg
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/2.jpgSlowly, painfully he rises.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd124/HulkFights/Vs%20Thor/Fight%205/3.jpg
I wonder what would have happened if Hulk landed 1 more blow.? Thor even admits in the same scan that Hulk is stronger than him...DAMN.
I agree with you, out of every Herald, Thor does have the best fts of energy display and should be able to drop any of them with his best but its not happening here though, they fight in character.
You displaying Gladiator low showings, especially with the elder, a being that was empowered by an entire race isn't helping your argument either...especially since I have fts of Gladiator punching the hell out of him and I can also low ball like you and show the numerous of times Thor glass jaw has failed him in the past couple of months. Thor face has seen more dirt than any Herald I can think of and it has been by people that doesn't even have that many fts.
Now let's see if you care or not to respond to my post.
Also, those "elites" were all one shotted... and that was in the previous comic. He wasn't fighting straight. If Gladiator really got fatigued one shotting a bunch of fodder, then that really doesn't help your case at all.
And his speed still got countered. Not only that, but you failed to account for Masterson reacting to him as well. But more on how lost you got later.
The Hulk fight was after Thor had just fought Kurse, the Midgard Serpent and quite a few others. For someone who's using Gladiator being "Fatigued" as an excuse as to why his speed failed, you certainly don't have a problem with Thor fighting like 6 comics back to back against actual proven characters, as opposed to Gladiator fighting in like 10 pages total against fodder.
And Thor also won that fight...
How you came to that conclusion is beyond me. If anything it shows Kurse being more powerful.
Also, not only that, but Kurse has actually been stated to be 4 times as strong as Thor. Thor overcoming Kurse IS overcoming 4 times his own strength, and no amount of him fighting Hulk will disprove that. Now, unless you want to prove Gladiator is 4 times Thor, or better yet, so strong that it won't be overcome with how powerful Mjolnir is, then your Hulk fanboyism is completely irrelevant. You've completely lost sight of the debate in your post.
Gladiator retroactively had a magic weakness, but he sure didn't when he fought Thor. If the same writers who had Thor smash Gladiator before hand without a magic weakness were to write Thor vs Gladiator now that he's got a proven magic weakness, they would have him obliterate him even worse than he's already obliterated him.
Gladiator lost to Hulk because Hulk reversed all his attacks. Hell, it says right on panel Hulk would have made Gladiator deaf had he connected on the planet with the sonic clap.
Gladiator didn't look too hot against Hulk, and he was beaten as soon as he was hit by his own eyebeams. Something that is not in any way out of Thor's range in power to hit his eyebeams back at him.
Gladiator would have been beaten with or without the weakness. But that's irrelevant. What is relevant is that Thor has never been beaten as bad by Hulk as Gladiator has. And the only time that he's ever come close is after the two have had like 6 fights already between them.
Also, good job showing Hulk cheapshotting Thor and counting that as a win.
Also, you want to talk about what ifs when the only reason Thor was carrying BRUCE BANNER in the first place is because he one shotted him? What if Thor decided that after he one shotted Hulk like Gladiator never did that he might as well land ANYTHING at all on Bruce?
Seriously. Hell, even in the scans you showed of Hulk cheapshotting Thor had Thor rising and apparently hurting him with rain. I sure as hell didn't see Gladiator rise and challenge Hulk after he was beaten.
And you know what the funniest thing is? Gladiator was beaten in one tackle, two hits from Hulk, and Hulk blocking his HV over his face.
3 attacks. And then he drags a limp Gladiator who was downed in 3 attacks into the reactor, threw him in there, and beat the shit out of him some more.
So while you mock three attacks from Hulk taking down Thor, you ignore that three attacks took down Gladiator. And unlike Thor, Gladiator didn't get up immediately after those 3 attacks, no, Gladiator got dragged into a plant instead.
So ya. Good job covering that one Carter... 😂
They fight in character? Yet I posted a completely in character Thor using completely in character attacks? The only difference is that Thor was pissed in the scans.
Yet it's ruled out as not in character? What the ****.
Except my point with the Eldest was to show him reacting to him. The fact that he got his arm snapped like nothing is something that was contained within the same scene. Hilarious yes, but not my main point.
Also, the difference between Thor's low showings and Gladiator's is that Thor's character isn't built off a strong history of "low showings". Half of Thor's fights against the obscure and common aren't him getting raped to a point of hilarity.
I never said I wasn't going to respond, I said I don't care that you want to attempt to "shake me" with threats of responding to me. Learn how to read.
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Now, let me go through some of your shortcomings here; mainly, that you'd rather defend Hulk than Gladiator in your post.
First off, I find it funny how the only comparative character you care to talk about is Hulk, when you completely ignored the rest of my listings:
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Also, funny at the Phoenix comment. Comparable opponents doesn't turn out well for Gladiator either.
Thor's never been beaten as bad against Hulk as Glads has.
A mind controlled Thor came out unharmed against Nova. Same can't be said for the opposite.
Thor actually beat Black Bolt, where as Glads has been KO'ed by him, stalemated, and needed help against him.
And Thor was never knocked absolutely silly against Masterson.
Look at that. That's what you were responding to with the Hulk scans. The mere fact that you couldn't even begin to attempt to cover the other people makes it look terrible that you'd even try to cover one in the first place.
You also ignored the fact that Masterson himself has reacted to Gladiator. Masterson, who's nowhere near as skilled as Thor reacted to Gladiator, and I'm supposed to believe this is the end for Thor, really?
And I know you read my post since you tried to play off one scene of Gladiator getting reacted to as him just being fatigued, and you also talked of the Eldest scan... so what gives Carter?
Do you think I just threw those scans in just as low showings? No, not entirely. What I tried to show was Gladiator getting reacted to, as a means to show his speed as being overplayed against Thor. And I did.
Thor can react to Gladiator.
You also failed to respond to any of the showings of Thor's power. Which was in response to you saying Gladiator could possibly tank his attacks. So really, I'll take that as a concession.
You somehow tried to turn the Kurse vs Thor fight into a Hulk>>>Kurse comment, which not only failed, but it's irrelevant to Gladiator and only makes him look worse when you can't even adequately respond by defending Gladiator.
There's more I'd find, but I don't want to keep reading your post as it sickens me.
Originally posted by carver9And on that note, you need to learn how to read.
Lol...I knew you cared. I will post to all of this in a min.
Originally posted by carver9
Don't think its over Bieb...I will respond to your post tonight when I get off of work.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't care.Get back to sorting garbage
Originally posted by carver9
You do care because as soon as I respond, you are going to reply back. If you didn't care, you would let me win.
Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
I don't care about what you're going to do later. Threatening me with a loss of brain cells isn't going to do much I'm afraid.And I could let you get the last three posts in in a row, and you still wouldn't win
=/= I'm not going to respond to you.
I don't get how you expect people not to be ass holes to you when you post.
