Originally posted by leonidas
😆 c'mon guys, he's clearly trolling. no one could ACTUALLY be as stupid as he is pretending to be. basically, his argument is this--it would be bad for the youth of the world to see gladiator beat thor in a fight!😆
yeah, that would be devastating!! can you imagine what people would think??? kids everywhere crying, losing faith in the world, turning to evil and shying away from good because they would suddenly know that goodness is only a fragile thing...... the horror.
all because marvel allowed gladiator to beat thor. seriously, when i think his posts absolutely can NOT get any dumber, he digs a new sub-basement in stupidity.....
i'll go out on a limb and say if gladiator beat thor in a fight, the world, and it's youth, would probably make it through that particular darkness.
i am curious though--what about all the dead heroes in the history of marvel? they weren't heroic enough for the now-defunct code to apply to them? i am in absolute awe of the unprecedented stupidity on dislplay in this thread. 😖hock:
Originally posted by -Pr-True, but when several writers of comics state that the hero will win no matter how powerful the threat is tend to carry far more weight than people on a comic book site. When writers themselves state that characters job to heros or main characters to make a good showing to the hero so that fans of all ages are happy, thus selling more comics. Stan Lee said it best.... Boy, they better be glad they are the hero......
Don't start. Seriously.You've been told about peddling your Vulcan misrepresentations before. This is the third time I've had to tell you. There probably won't be a fourth at this rate.
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Also, just in case anyone wasn't clear about it, the "hero always wins" isn't an excuse, nor a valid argument when a character gets beaten. period. guys like Thanos, Darkseid, Luthor AND Gladiator, have enough feats to establish a baseline of power and ability. If they get their ass kicked by the hero without PIS or CIS/CIP necessarily being involved, then they just got their ass kicked. Simple as that.
And, preemptively, before anyone says "but the hero always winning is PIS in itself", read arcs like Final Crisis, Half of the X-Men stuff ever published, Secret Invasion and so on and so forth.
Evil gets enough chances to show what it can do. Sometimes the heroes are just good enough to win.
Originally posted by leonidasSubject. Hero's will be written to win as in good over bad. Your ultra stupid response is trying to limit the subject to only thor and gladiators fights. The subject extend to every main hero from Marvel and DC Comics, yet you rant on about thor and gladiator as if the subject only includes just 2 characters. Again, Ultra stupidity.
😆 c'mon guys, he's clearly trolling. no one could ACTUALLY be as stupid as he is pretending to be. basically, his argument is this--it would be bad for the youth of the world to see gladiator beat thor in a fight!😆
yeah, that would be devastating!! can you imagine what people would think??? kids everywhere crying, losing faith in the world, turning to evil and shying away from good because they would suddenly know that goodness is only a fragile thing...... the horror.
all because marvel allowed gladiator to beat thor. seriously, when i think his posts absolutely can NOT get any dumber, he digs a new sub-basement in stupidity.....
i'll go out on a limb and say if gladiator beat thor in a fight, the world, and it's youth, would probably make it through that particular darkness.
i am curious though--what about all the dead heroes in the history of marvel? they weren't heroic enough for the now-defunct code to apply to them? i am in absolute awe of the unprecedented stupidity on dislplay in this thread. 😖hock:
Originally posted by country1000
Subject. Hero's will be written to win as in good over bad. Your ultra stupid response is trying to limit the subject to only thor and gladiators fights. The subject extend to every main hero from Marvel and DC Comics, yet you rant on about thor and gladiator as if the subject only includes just 2 characters. Again, Ultra stupidity.
Deadpool.
Originally posted by country1000
True, but when several writers of comics state that the hero will win no matter how powerful the threat is tend to carry far more weight than people on a comic book site. When writers themselves state that characters job to heros or main characters to make a good showing to the hero so that fans of all ages are happy, thus selling more comics. Stan Lee said it best.... Boy, they better be glad they are the hero......
What's your point?
We only go by writer statements when it impacts a specific issue, and in terms of power/motivation/events.
"The hero wins because he's the hero" isn't a valid argument.
Originally posted by country1000
Darth, gladiator was koed at the end of that fight. He lost in the end. You know, the hero gets knocked around and then make a dramatic come-back thing.
He was defeated by using Captain America's indestructible shield, Tricking Gladiator into not knowing who he is fighting and having the IW waiting for a surprise attack taking advantage of Gladiator's weakness.
So his defeat was a plot related device. But it was made clear in terms of powers the FF were no match for him at all. Every single one of them got beat down by him in seconds (if that).
And yet no plot related device was used for Thor defeating Gladiator. Unless bashing his head with Mjolnir is a plot related device.
the only ultra stupidity is the utterly ABSURD lengths to which you are going to defend your kind of creepy adoration for gladiator.
YOU brought up the 'code' as a means for justifying YOUR point. YOU brought it up as a reason gladiator does NOT beat thor. and now when the absurd asininity has been pointed out to you and carried to it's natural limit you say--"well the code doesn't really apply to thor/gladiator, in particular but to ALL heroes."
and what about the DEAD HEROES THAT LITTER MARVEL HISTORY? does the code say something about only the BIG name heroes get protected? it there a special dispensation thor alone gets??
seriously?? wtf? if you don't think it justifies your stance, what the hell did YOU bring it up in the first place for??? this IS a thread ABOUT thor/glads after all, so now you're saying it's stupid because i'm ON the thread topic??
if there was an actual god of stupid i'd swear he was posting at kmc....
Originally posted by DARTH POWERDarth, that's the point. No matter how good gladiator looked against the FF, he was going to lose in the end by some means. It did not matter what he did to the FF, he was not going to be standing over them in the end, also, in every fight with thor, gladiator was trying to kill him, if gladiator would have killed thor, then there is no planned story to complete. If gladiator killed masterson thor, a story that was thought up from beginning to end would not take place. When a comic series is brought into creation, the writer has the story already mapped out from beginning to end. Operation Galactic Storm was completed before it hit the sales floor, no way was gladiator going to change the outcome. But my son told me something, so i give up. He told me. Daddy, why do you waste your time with leo and the others when you see they defend the hero who will always win and go on to face the next threat. He did not include you though.
He was defeated by using Captain America's indestructible shield, Tricking Gladiator into not knowing who he is fighting and having the IW waiting for a surprise attack taking advantage of Gladiator's weakness.So his defeat was a plot related device. But it was made clear in terms of powers the FF were no match for him at all. Every single one of them got beat down by him in seconds (if that).
And yet no plot related device was used for Thor defeating Gladiator. Unless bashing his head with Mjolnir is a plot related device.
Gladiator couldn't beat the inexperienced Masterson Thor. He beat Thor once, by taking advantage of the now defunct 60 second curse (so basically it's no longer relevant), and then Thor came back to beat him anyway. With Gladiator saying "Thor is too powerful". Thor has better strength feats. Better durability feats. Gladiator wins on speed, and his most impressive speed feats are travel speed anyway. Thor has more options, and Gladiator is usually going all out against Thor, while Thor isn't in their fights. Thor should easily take the majority against Gladiator.
Originally posted by leonidasDude, are you that stupid? my uncle told you that the hero will win in the end. I just wanted to tell you something. Gladiator had thor beat in all their battles until thor got BS help, plus if gladiator would have won, thor along with masterson thor would have been killed, are you that blind to think writers will let that happen to a main hero and ruin a planned series?????? REALLY DUDE??
the only ultra stupidity is the utterly ABSURD lengths to which you are going to defend your kind of creepy adoration for gladiator.YOU brought up the 'code' as a means for justifying YOUR point. YOU brought it up as a reason gladiator does NOT beat thor. and now when the absurd asininity has been pointed out to you and carried to it's natural limit you say--"well the code doesn't really apply to thor/gladiator, in particular but to ALL heroes."
and what about the DEAD HEROES THAT LITTER MARVEL HISTORY? does the code say something about only the BIG name heroes get protected? it there a special dispensation thor alone gets??
seriously?? wtf? if you don't think it justifies your stance, what the hell did YOU bring it up in the first place for??? this IS a thread ABOUT thor/glads after all, so now you're saying it's stupid because i'm ON the thread topic??
if there was an actual god of stupid i'd swear he was posting at kmc....
Originally posted by PillarofOsirisThor was koed far before 60 seconds expired. So gladiator was going to kill masterson thor and ruin Operation Galactic Storm Story line?
Gladiator couldn't beat the inexperienced Masterson Thor. He beat Thor once, by taking advantage of the now defunct 60 second curse (so basically it's no longer relevant), and then Thor came back to beat him anyway. With Gladiator saying "Thor is too powerful". Thor has better strength feats. Better durability feats. Gladiator wins on speed, and his most impressive speed feats are travel speed anyway. Thor has more options, and Gladiator is usually going all out against Thor, while Thor isn't in their fights. Thor should easily take the majority against Gladiator.
Originally posted by country1000
Darth, that's the point. No matter how good gladiator looked against the FF, he was going to lose in the end by some means. It did not matter what he did to the FF, he was not going to be standing over them in the end,
And yet the way the writers chose to have the FF winning was to have the FF requiring help, and having to exploit Gladiator's weakness.
It was made clear the FF's powers were no match for Gladiator's powers.
Whilst the writers chose to have Thor defeating Gladiator by bashing Gladiator in. Showing his power was superior.
So writer's "rules" is really no excuse for Gladiator at all.
And I do get tired of people claiming Thor matching and beating every high herald due to writers letting him. H1a8 and abhilegend use the same excuse. PIS may be valid as a one off, but not on a consistent basis.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
And yet the way the writers chose to have the FF winning was to have the FF requiring help, and having to exploit Gladiator's weakness.It was made clear the FF's powers were no match for Gladiator's powers.
Whilst the writers chose to have Thor defeating Gladiator by bashing Gladiator in. Showing his power was superior.
So writer's "rules" is really no excuse for Gladiator at all.
And I do get tired of people claiming Thor matching and beating every high herald due to writers letting him. H1a8 and abhilegend use the same excuse. PIS may be valid as a one off, but not on a consistent basis.
Being able to bash someone to a ko doesn't mean your power is superior. I could bash a super strong human (several times stronger than me) with my bare hands and ko him. Glads can bash Thor to death, if Thor just stood there and do nothing. Does that automatically make Glads more powerful?
It is how a character wins and not the fact that a character wins in a comic. Many argue that A can beat B because A beat C in a comic. But how exactly did A beat C is the question. Many characters lost in comics due to plot devices and scenarios that don't exist in a forum fight. That's why forum fights are not comic fights. Look at the scenario that allowed Masterson to bash in Glads at the end and you would know what I'm talking about.
Originally posted by country1000
Dude, are you that stupid? my uncle told you that the hero will win in the end. I just wanted to tell you something. Gladiator had thor beat in all their battles until thor got BS help, plus if gladiator would have won, thor along with masterson thor would have been killed, are you that blind to think writers will let that happen to a main hero and ruin a planned series?????? REALLY DUDE??
'your uncle'??
guess that settles it then. 😂
and i know you already said that if thor lost all the kids would never be able to sleep at night again and the world would go to hell and marvel would rupture and go bankrupt.
yeah, cuz dc really made out poorly when they killed off superman. 😐 though my kids did have a hell of a time sleeping those months later..... ffs.
you fail--in an almost inconceiveable way--to understand that your 'it's the writers!!11!' crusade in NO WAY supports your case.
will the hero win eventually? sure, probably (unless of course you want to count all the DEAD HEROES--which you have ignored at least twice now.......wonder why) but winning in the end does NOT preclude them LOSING A BATTLE!!! or even many of them. if gladiator were powerful enough HE WOULD BEAT THOR. he doesn't have to kill him. he can win, then thor can win the next time--whatever. it happens ALL THE TIME. heroes lose--FREQUENTLY. challenge is part of PLOTTING. laboring under the idiocy you are, ALL STORIES ARE POINTLESS. if the hero NEVER lost, there would be NO POINT IN READING. 😐
superman came back--but the return was no where NEAR as interesting (or profitable for dc...) as was superman's DEATH.
captain marvel LOST his fight to cancer--and it was heralded as one of the great stories in marvel history.
you've taken the ULTIMATE coward's stance. why? because you don't have to back anything up. it's easy to sit and say--he lost because the writers made him!@!@!1 cowardly, and a cry that has tradiationally meant someone has no more legs to stand on and can no longer defend their position. cowardly. someone with ZERO knowledge of ANY comic EVER WRITTEN (as you have been demonstrating ably) could walk into the forum and say the exact same thing. cowardly. 'he lost cuz of the writers!!111!!!'
no sh1T sherlock. and supeman died because the writers made him. yes they brought him back--but he DIED. thor could be killed by glads and it would make HEADLINES for marvel. then they could bring him back and have him beat the crap out of glads. that is ALSO possible for a writer to do. they wouldn't because it wouldn't be believeable. glads is NOT in thor's league and that has been born out repeatedly.
your infatuation with the character is quite unlike anything i've seen before and the lengths you go to to defend his losses will be the stuff of kmc legend.
seriously, it's like he thinks the whole 'the writers decide everything!!1!' is something NEW, that it isn't actually the most self-evident thing on earth. he makes it out to be some secret knowledge that he is revealing to all of us unenlightened hicks for the first time..... it's pretty remarkable when you stop and think about it.