Originally posted by Galan007
I'm not talking about the scope of his power, genius. I'm talking about the depth of his power.Try to keep up. 👆
The scope of his power was universal in that his application of his power with the HOTU, and the IG and cosmic cube in the past were strictly limited to one universe.
The depth of his power was also universal and nothing more, in that it never exceeded the limitations of a universe in strength.
Originally posted by Board WalkerHow many universes did CA destroy or recreate ?
The scope of his power was universal in that his application of his power with the HOTU, and the IG and cosmic cube in the past were strictly limited to one universe.The depth of his power was also universal and nothing more, in that it never exceeded the limitations of a universe in strength.
Originally posted by Insane Titan
How many universes did CA destroy or recreate ?
Who cares about that when the whole DCU is completely irrelevant in power to him/it and Dax Novu?
The task of the CA was not to destroy or create, its task was to protect existence, and the CA was the only thing capable of doing this against something which literally eats existence away, along with universes, energy, gods, reality warpers, superheroes, space, time and everything else up to the very concept of story itself.
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Who cares about that when the whole DCU is completely irrelevant in power to him/it and Dax Novu?
The task of the CA was not to destroy or create, its task was to protect existence, and the CA was the only thing capable of doing this against something which literally eats existence away, along with universes, energy, gods, reality warpers, superheroes, space, time and everything else up to the very concept of story itself.
👆
But honestly, some Marvel Zombies are not able to understand what the CA is, IF they read the story they only saw the pictures and most likely didn't understand it.
They need very simple stories, with very simple words, like Marvel the End, yet even there it's hard for them to understand the difference between Universe and Universes. biscuits
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
Who cares about that when the whole DCU is completely irrelevant in power to him/it and Dax Novu?
The task of the CA was not to destroy or create, its task was to protect existence, and the CA was the only thing capable of doing this against something which literally eats existence away, along with universes, energy, gods, reality warpers, superheroes, space, time and everything else up to the very concept story itself.
You are missing his point. 😐
Originally posted by Prof. T.C McAbe
👆But honestly, some Marvel Zombies are not able to understand what the CA is, IF they read the story they only saw the pictures and most likely didn't understand it.
They need very simple stories, with very simple words, like Marvel the End, yet even there it's hard for them to understand the difference between Universe and Universes. biscuits
With what I'm going to say I'm not referring to this forum, which is fantastic, but it is rather going to be a general assertion, based on what I had the opportunity to generally see on the internet.
Out of 100 people talking about the CA or Dax Novu, 90 didn't even read the story once, 5 read it but didn't understand it (and thus they hate it or tell wrong things about it), and the latest 5 read the story, understood it and see the CA/DaxNovu concept for what really is.
Being said that, I would never force my opinion on anyone, but if I insists in taking the "defence" side in CA discussions it's because I truly never read of something/someone as immensely complex and powerful as the concepts of PM/CA/Dax.
And I don't even particularly like Superman, really: for example I'd take Goku's side in the endless debate of preferences between the saiyan and Clark Kent any day of the week, but this doesn't prevent me to admit how crazy powerful said concepts of PM/CA/Dax truly have been meant to be.
Originally posted by Sj_Sharp
With what I'm going to say I'm not referring to this forum, which is fantastic, but it is rather going to be a general assertion, based on what I had the opportunity to generally see on the internet.
Out of 100 people talking about the CA or Dax Novu, 90 didn't even read the story once, 5 read it but didn't understand it (and thus they hate it or tell wrong things about it), and the latest 5 read the story, understood it and see the CA/DaxNovu concept for what really is.
Being said that, I would never force my opinion on anyone, but if I insists in taking the "defence" side in CA discussions it's because I truly never read of something/someone as immensely complex and powerful as the concepts of PM/CA/Dax.
And I don't even particularly like Superman, really: for example I'd take Goku's side in the endless debate of preferences between the saiyan and Clark Kent any day of the week, but this doesn't prevent me to admit how crazy powerful said concepts of PM/CA/Dax truly have been meant to be.
Would you care to fully explain how powerful PM/CA/Dax were in the story?
Originally posted by Sj_Sharpas another poster pointed out you bias DC fans are missing the point/my point I just made.
Who cares about that when the whole DCU is completely irrelevant in power to him/it and Dax Novu?
The task of the CA was not to destroy or create, its task was to protect existence, and the CA was the only thing capable of doing this against something which literally eats existence away, along with universes, energy, gods, reality warpers, superheroes, space, time and everything else up to the very concept of story itself.
The entire anti HOTU argument is based off what HOTU only destroyed and created.
Sole facts are Thànos w/HOTU was below no one including LT, we know the only being above LT is TOAA
Originally posted by Golgo13
Would you care to fully explain how powerful PM/CA/Dax were in the story?
Many respectable users here already fully explained the story few times, I surely would add anything more here, unless I'd write a full report on the whole book.
Basically, when you talk about the CA or Dax Novu, you have to change your perspective: what usually are multiverses, in this new PoV is a bottle (the Orrery); what usually are superheroes, gods, reality warpers etc here are nothing but germs; what usually is space, time, life now it's nothing but a story.
All of that I described is the DCU, but outside of it there's the infinite white page, white page which is alive and non-dual: it is so big that it never really noticed that coloured drop inside itself; anyway, once it noticed the DCU, it sent a part of itself (the probe which was Dax Novu) with the aim of mapping and blending with the whole of existence, but existence contains dualities, which corrupted the non-duality of the probe and generated the negative aspects which is Mandrakk (which took over Dax Novu and which erases stories (stories which are DCU), as the evil part of a page would do), and the positive aspect which is the CA, created by Dax Novu itself (the probe of the page saw that in all creation (DCU), no story ever written was greater than Superman's, this is why the CA took such a shape).
Then, the PM thought the circle of Monitors, whose purpose was to watch over the DCU (because the good part of the page wants to protect the stories; anyway, at the same time, there was the aforementioned negative aspect, and that's why the Monitors also are described as multiversal entities who feed over the DCU itself).
The CA stood for untold eons at the edge of the page, waiting for the final "showdown" against Mandrakk, while the virtually omniscient Monitos barely managed to understand what it was (because so immense were the powers of the probe of the PM which created it).
The DCU, as an "organism", has its own "blood", which is the bleed, described to be the essence itself of the storyline, and only the Monitors have the power to control and use it: one drop of the bleed is capable of total healing or annihilation, and Mandrakk Dax Novu, for the same eons the CA stood still, fed on the bleed of the whole DCU, increasing to even more eternal level its own powers (which were already immense, given that, as said, Dax Novu was the original probe from the Primal Monitor itself).
Anyway, because, before of being corrupted, Dax Novu knew about this fact, shaped the story of Superman (the thought which is the CA) in the way that it was able to instantly adapt to the limitless powers of Mandrakk itself: indeed, nobody could have gasped how powerful Dax Novu Mandrakk could have been after all that eons passed on feeding on the bleed, yet the CA adapted, but how that was possible? Nobody knows it, not even the Monitors who studied it for eons, it's a "secret" which resides in the very original powers of the PM itself and thus of its probe.
It is specifically mentioned that nothing could have stopped Dax Novu ("let me feed and feed until nothing but Mandrakk is left"😉 bar the CA itself, which was created solely for this purpose, nothing more.
At the end, the epic showdown between the two happened outside of the DCU: both the CA and Dax Novu were fare bigger and far more powerful than the whole DCU combined ever was, ad finally, with immense effort (and this despite its adapting ability, which speaks volume about the powers of Mandrak), the CA managed to defeat Dax Novu by throwing it back to the Overvoid, the Primal Monitor, from where it originally came.
The Primal Monitor, being non-dual and limitless in every aspect, reabsorbed its own negative aspect and nullified it; then, the duty of the CA was done, thus, blind and damaged, it deactivated itself, leaving a warning for the left Monitors: "let them be".
This warning was referring to the fact that for the the germs, which are the DCU, it would have been best to develop freely without the Monitors (avatars of the Primal Monitor, the white page) watching over them, because they had a far more negative than positive influence over the DCU multiverse life.
The victory of the CA over Dax Novu meant that the good aspect of the page triumphed over the negative one: it means the page cared about the health of DCU and that's why, at the end of FC book, the Monitors disappeared (except Nix Uotan), with the PM giving free development to life inside the DCU, as it was before that first, cursed contact of reality with its probe.
See, that's why I pick the CA side, it's because I find all of this concept so immense that I really have never read something even similar; but again, I would never force my opinion on someone, the only thing I do is trying to make, as much as possible, the CA argument clear and understandable. 😉
Originally posted by Insane Titan
as another poster pointed out you bias DC fans are missing the point/my point I just made.The entire anti HOTU argument is based off what HOTU only destroyed and created.
Sole facts are Thànos w/HOTU was below no one including LT, we know the only being above LT is TOAA
I'm not really a bias DC fan. 😛
Also, I nerver ever questioned the HOTU powers once in this thread, I simply read your post questioning the CA abilities and I responded. 😉