Screenfeats deny it.
Movie screenfeats.
Maybe the gun woud have misfired.... Mybe the bullet would be a dud... Maybe it would have missed... Maybe McCalne would have survived due to a lucky shot missing his brain cavity entirely. Thats the problem with 'coulda woulda shoulda' suppositions, based on no evidence.
But what we can assume based on shown evidence, is that as we've seen him get shot twice maybe three times and he survived easily, and went on to stomp all who opposed him, and had a Deathstar's weight of lead propelled at him over four movies, the odds are way in McFavour here.
Nope you are the gimper...trying to deny that:
A) McClane asked god "Please don't let me die" in DH1, and it seems to have worked.
B) Every attempt to kill McClane with Handguns, Machine Guns, Rifles, Explosives, Grenades, Planes, Helicopters, and even rap music, has failed horribly, and those trying to kill him have all died.
C) Even his enemies comment on how lucky he is.
D) "Not even god knows what (McClane) is doing".
Always soley judging McClane by low end moments too.
But again: This is about how McImitator Bauer fails the DH gauntlet.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Maybe the gun woud have misfired.... Mybe the bullet would be a dud... Maybe it would have missed... Maybe McCalne would have survived due to a lucky shot missing his brain cavity entirely. Thats the problem with 'coulda woulda shoulda' suppositions, based on no evidence.
Wow. Not only is your argument absolute crap, but you don't even have any verifiable evidence to back it up? 😆 😆
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But what we can assume based on shown evidence, is that as we've seen him get shot twice maybe three times and he survived easily, and had a Deathstar's weight of lead propelled at him over four movies, the odds are way in McFavour here.
And McClane's such a poor gunman he can't even hold off a couple of mercs without getting shot 😆, when Bauer takes on larger groups with a handgun and dominates them (and not like how McClane "dominates" f-35s 😂 )
It was pointing out the inanity of your evidenceless supposition.
If you dont like the couldawouldashoulda game, then don't initiate playing it. 🙂
I listed supporting evidence for the opposing argument..
If you ignore it, then thats down to you, Im afraid.
Ummmm...but he DID hold off loads of people without getting shot. Repeatedly. Even at ridiculously close quarters like the lift scene in DH3 in which he killed four armed men who were there in the elevator soley to take McClane down to the basement and murder him....
And when he gets shot how much does it slow him down? ummm not at all, judging by movie feats.
I see you still refuse to acknowledge still that Bauer lacks the screen feats to make it through the DH series, which is what this thread is about, supposedly.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
A) McClane asked god "Please don't let me die" in DH1, and it seems to have worked.
C) Even his enemies comment on how lucky he is.
So you are confirming that McClane has no skill and survives purely by luck . He's not going to have that kind of luck in the 24-verse, so he's screwed 😆
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
B) Every attempt to kill McClane with Handguns, Machine Guns, Rifles, Explosives, Grenades, Planes, Helicopters, and even rap music, has failed horribly, and those trying to kill him have all died.
Jack has taken on all of those same threats (rap music included), and they have all failed horribly. And everyone who has tried to kill Jack has also died. There is a reason he has killed 268 people over an 8 day time-span.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But again: This is about how McImitator Bauer fails the DH gauntlet.
Bauer imitates who? Once again, Bauer is near-Bourne levels, unless you are seriously going to tell me John can beat Bourne.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I listed supporting evidence for the opposing argument..
If you ignore it, then thats down to you, Im afraid.
You haven't posted Jack shit except for about how John essentially requires luck to survive scenarios Jack could effortlessly handle
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ummmm...but he DID hold off loads of people without getting shot. Repeatedly. Even at ridiculously close quarters like the lift scene in DH3 in which he killed four armed men who were there in the elevator soley to take McClane down to the basement and murder him....
Once again, in order to be impressive, it has to be something Bauer can't replicate, which based on his screenfeats, shows that he could
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And when he gets shot how much does it slow him down? ummm not at all, judging by movie feats.
😆 ....I mean....he actually gets shot...Jack handle's loads more assailants weilding less firepower and doesn't.....😆
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I see you still refuse to acknowledge still that Bauer lacks the screen feats to make it through the DH series, which is what this thread is about, supposedly.
Bauer has more than enough screen feats to be able to pawn any Die hard film, and not requiring Simon to be a retard in order to do it. And once again, if you want to gimp Bauer in order for McClane to not look like an embryo in comparison, that's on you 😎
Luck, skill, resilience, experience and a bit of divine intervention are all the suggested attributes. And he does it largely without the support of any large organisations, especially the kind that Bauer relies on.
Again, screentime suggests that McClane's killcount would way exceed that, given that amount of time.
What movie screenfeats? Oh...TV screen feats, you mean... OHHHH RIIIIGHT lol 😛
Bauer is a TV series imitation of McClane. Could Bourne kill McClane? Maybe...Maybe not.. Maybe McClane Indys him and blows him away whilst he is doing some flashy bourne stuff, in a similarly comedic moment in the 1st ten minutes of the movie...? But Bauer is definitely not Bourne.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Luck, skill, resilience, experience and a bit of divine intervention are all the suggested attributes.
The first and last attributes are non-existent in the 24-verse, and he lacks a good amount of the other 3 to survive
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And he does it largely without the support of any large organisations, especially the kind that Bauer relies on.
😆 . You silly fool. He doesn't rely on them. They rely on him. He is the one they call out of retirement to hunt down their leads. And by they, I mean The POTUS
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Again, screentime suggests that McClane's killcount would way exceed that, given that amount of time.
Bauer's maximum output of 50 people killed a 24-hour period exceeds any of McClane's killcounts
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Bauer is a TV series imitation of McClane.
How? If anything, he is an imitation of James Bond
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Could Bourne kill McClane? Maybe...Maybe not.. Maybe McClane Indys him and blows him away whilst he is doing some flashy Bourne stuff, in a similarly comedic moment in the 1st ten minutes of the movie...?
Are you actually saying McClane can take Jason Bourne? 😂
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But Bauer is definitely not Bourne.
They were both Delta Force-turned-CIA-assassins, so they are closer in skill than you think 😉
Originally posted by Lestov16
The first and last attributes are non-existent in the 24-verse, and he lacks a good amount of the other 3 to survive😆 . You silly fool. He doesn't rely on them. They rely on him. He is the one the call out of retirement to hunt down their leads. And by they, I mean [b]The POTUS
Bauer's maximum output of 50 people killed a 24-hour period exceeds any of McClane's killcounts
How? If anything, he is an imitation of James Bond
Are you actually saying McClane can take Jason Bourne? 😂
They were both Delta Force-turned-CIA-assassins, so they are closer in skill than you think 😉 [/B]
Well the 24-verse is a seperate subject, given the thread you are in here.
Nah.
Nope. McClane taking out all those highly trained killers with one hand in under 15-10 secs trumps all. 🙂
Bauer relies on POTUS funding and legislation, doesnt he? 😉
Hes not British enough to be Bond, and lacks any movie time. Whereas Bond pwns all, has 515,000 movies backing it up and always gets the girl.
Are you saying he cant? I say Bourne isnt lucky enough for all you know, and that 4 DH movies owns Bournes 3.
Close, maybe but no cigar. 😛
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well the 24-verse is a seperate subject, given the thread you are in here.
All right. Let's talk about DH. Given how intricate Habib Marwan's plan was and how much Jack fuked it up, it can be logically deduced that Bauer can take down any complex DH plans, all of which were far less complex than Marwan's plan. And, not only is Jack overly skilled, but, since this is the DH-verse, he also gets luck power (according to you), so Bauer curbstomps the DH-verse
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. McClane taking out all those highly trained killers with one hand in under 15-10 secs trumps all. 🙂
You mean he will get his ass kicked and use a lighter to burn the conveniently leaking jet fuel....because if he's relying on that plan, I can already guarantee you he is going to die
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Bauer relies on POTUS funding and legislation, doesnt he? 😉
Nope. POTUS just calls on Jack because he's the most effective counterterrorist agent. There's been times when the POTUS has actually tried to hunt Jack down and kill him, and Jack still proceeded to **** his plan up
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Hes not British enough to be Bond, and lacks any movie time. Whereas Bond pwns all, has 515,000 movies backing it up and always gets the girl.
You're right. Bauer is far to masculine to be Bond. "Always gets the girl"? What type of fairy-tale loser bullshit is that 😆
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Are you saying he cant? I say Bourne isnt lucky enough for all you know, and that 4 DH movies owns Bournes 3.
I am saying he can't.
Look at the Bobby Lee Swagger vs Hitman thread to see what I am talking about. McClane is a cop, and Jack is a trained experienced counterrorist expert. You just can't compare the two
Its not just about plans..its about Bauers lack of feats like taking down choppers with cars and all the crazy stuff we see McClane do, endure, creatively think up on the job, and his superhuman abilities and luck.
McClane doesnt have to rely on any one technique. Hes way too creative and spontaneous for that.
The next most effective counterterrorist agent next to McClane, of course. Who is so good that he kills all those badguys and he isn't even a member of an organisation like that.
McClane pulling the fuel port cover off of the wing made it very convenient for McClane to do that... Yes.
What kind of fairy tale bullshit? 24 was made of it.
Hes no ordinary cop, judging by what we all have seen.. So that doesn't really matter.