Bauer withstood his torture because he was stopping WWIII
McClane's just a pussy-ass ***** who spends 5 years, based on what you imply with Holly, on the recieving end of a strap-on, and she's not even that hot!
Torture to stop WWIII>>>>> masochist dildo action
and BTW, Jack was married to Terri Bauer and his child is Kim Bauer, two people for whom you will need a very high pain threshold to be in the vicinity of that makes Holly look like a plush pillow
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes..so checkmate to McClane basically.. glad we all agree.
The above post fails more than the avatar of the guy who wrote it
FACT: Bauer has killed teams of bad guys with the quantity and skill of MClane's adversaries (including US, Chinese, and Russian military death squads ) in the 15 minutes (literally) that it would take McClane to cry like a woman to a fat cop who shoots prematurely
FACT: Bauer has taken on far more cunning villains with far more devastating plans, sometimes more than once per day. If McClane's smartest villain (Simon) was a retard who gives McClane evidence and doesn't shoot him when he has them subdued, then Bauer will be overtaking him easily.
The fact that you judged an Al Bundy avatar as one that is made of fail, speaks more of the critic than the piece, sir. 😛
Fact: Not in a movie he didnt.
Fact: See above fact.
Also: Who said Simon was the smartest? Besides, by the time Bauer had had 24 hrs of screen time, Simon would have been done, and would be having the sexytimes with that mute knife chick. McClane gets the job done 12xfaster, and comes with classical music and awesome quips.
Fact: As long as you are conceding that, without gimping having to his feats, he's better than McClane, then sure
Also: I've already established that Simon is a fool who is way below the villains of Bauer's caliber. I mean, he was stupid enough to not shoot McClane when he had the chance. So once again, the fact that he was McClane's smartest adversary puts McClane on a level way below Bauer
Fact: I wouldnt have to gimp anything. You effectively gimped Bauer (A TV character) by having him face off with McClane (A Movie character) in a movie vs forum. Not that the 'help' of doing that would be required: Bauer is a McImitation, who despite feats listed still shows no on sceen ability to run the DH Gauntlet as McClane did.
Next you'll be asserting that any Tom, Dick or Harry could have lifted Excalibur from the stone.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Fact: I wouldnt have to gimp anything. You effectively gimped Bauer (A TV character) by having him face off with McClane (A Movie character) in a movie vs forum.
Yes, because the character who has 192 hours worth of feats definitely is weaker than the one with only 8 hours worth 🙄
And every season of 24 is essentially a 24 hour film. Placidity can confirm this
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not that the 'help' of doing that would be required: Bauer is a McImitation, who despite feats listed still shows no on screen ability to run the DH Gauntlet as McClane did.
Despite the fact that he has shown the on-screen ability (8 times in fact) to stop terrorist attacks that outclass the DH films terrorist plots massively, so it can be easy to reason that he will take out Simon "Just let the hero live and give the hero evidence" Gruber pretty easily. And since Simon represents the highest tier of DH villain, it's pretty fair to assume that Bauer can take out the others as well
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
run the DH Gauntlet as McClane did.
Speaking of which, how far is McClane getting in the 24 Gauntlet? He'll be doing what to stop Marwan?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Next you'll be asserting that any Tom, Dick or Harry could have lifted Excalibur from the stone.
What? Are you saying that Simon was intelligent? That he didn't needlessly let McClane live and give him evidence towards his capture? Once again, the oh-so-refutable chumps McClane faces off against don't compare at all to masterminds like Marwan and Bierko that Bauer takes out
Originally posted by Lestov16
Yes, because the character who has 192 hours worth of feats definitely is weaker than the one with only 8 hours worth
Yes, when its 8 hours of sheers quality, as opposed to TV filler.
"...and if my grandmother had wheels, she'd be a wagon."
And every season of 24 is essentially a 24 hour film. Placidity can confirm this
Despite the fact that he has shown the on-screen ability (8 times in fact) to stop terrorist attacks that outclass the DH films terrorist plots massively, so it can be easy to reason that he will take out Simon "Just let the hero live and give the hero evidence" Gruber pretty easily. And since Simon represents the highest tier of DH villain, it's pretty fair to assume that Bauer can take out the others as well
No villain is perfect. But they'd all beat Bauer in the time frames used. Bauer would be dead before he'd even warmed up.
Speaking of which, how far is McClane getting in the 24 Gauntlet? He'll be doing what to stop Marwan?
All the way and at least 16 Times faster according to math.
(Anyways: the question is more: "Whats Marwan gonna do to stop McClane..?"😉
What? Are you saying that Simon was intelligent? That he didn't needlessly let McClane live and give him evidence towards his capture? Once again, the oh-so-refutable chumps McClane faces off against don't compare at all to masterminds like Marwan and Bierko that Bauer takes out
I guess I am... All movie/TV villains with big egos love to do the reveal-the-plan thing. (Especially when the show is constructed in a way designed to keep the audience all suspensified by not showing the villain's plan until well into the movie. And all of them get McClaned. Especially ones with German names...like Bauer.
Originally posted by Lestov16
[B]Yes, because the character who has 192 hours worth of feats definitely is weaker than the one with only 8 hours worth 🙄
Good point you bring up, Bauer has more film-time, 192 hours vs McClane's 8(give/take).
Now imagine what McClane could do in 192 hours, considering what we've seen him accomplish in about 8: End of all crime on the planet. End of starvation. End of homelessness. End of all reality TV shows. Cure for cancer. Cure for AIDS. World peace. Intergalactic travel.
McClane +8
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yes, when its 8 hours of sheers quality, as opposed to TV filler.
Originally posted by Lestov16
It's okay. He'll just lament his various Emmy awards and what many call being one of the greatest and most innovative shows ever created. How many awards has Die Hard won?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
No villain is perfect. But they'd all beat Bauer in the time frames used. Bauer would be dead before he'd even warmed up.
Time it takes for John McClane to clear one building with 10 mercenaries: 4 hours
(during which he has to take time to stop and cry)
Time it takes Jack Bauer to clear one building with 13 mercenaries:
20 minutes
In the time that it takes McClane to ***** and complain about his flight and his annoying wife, Bauer's been in a plane crash and killed the military commando team who shot it down (without getting shot)
Bauer is near Bourne levels. That's why they are members of the JB club, and McClane is just a scrub 😎
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
All the way and at least 16 Times faster according to math.
(Anyways: the question is more: "Whats Marwan gonna do to stop McClane..?"😉
Capture him (like Simon) and shoot him (unlike Simon)
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I guess I am... All movie/TV villains with big egos love to do the reveal-the-plan thing. And all of them get McClaned.
So essentially what you are saying is that McClane is so stupid that he requires his opponent to be stupid enough to do the reveal the plan thing in order to stop them? None of Bauer's opponents ever did the reveal the plan thing. Matter of fact, it's always the opposite. They have to be interrogated hard to find out any info about their plans. What are McClane's interrogation skills like (and I want proof) ? Because if he doesn't have any, he's not making it halfway into Day 2 at all
FACT: Bauer has taken on far more cunning villains with far more devastating plans, sometimes more than once per day. If McClane's smartest villain (Simon) was a retard who gives McClane evidence and doesn't shoot him when he has them subdued, then Bauer will be overtaking him easily.
Let's talk about McClane's lack of being able to possible survive just a 24-hour period in the life of Jack, whereas Jack usually defeats villains of DH caliber and their merc teams on an hourly basis.
Also, Bauer doesn't have the advantage of the main villain letting him live AND giving him evidence. Bauer actually works for his evidence with his SKILLS. He isn't completely reliant on his adversary deciding just for plot convenience to drop the ball. Like I said, the fact that Simon's retarded ass was the most intelligent of McClane's adversaries REALLY takes McClane down several tiers
See Bauer's an actual badass. He doesn't go up against dumbass chumps (like Karl, who didn't use his opportunity to shoot him, or that F-35 pilot) like McClane does. Bauer actually takes on legitimate threats, and not guys who wandered off of the nearby Down Syndrome center
Originally posted by Robtard
Good point you bring up, Bauer has more film-time, 192 hours vs McClane's 8(give/take).
Does Dies Hard run on real-time?
Originally posted by Robtard
Now imagine what McClane could do in 192 hours, considering what we've seen him accomplish in about 8
Let's take into consideration that out of his usual 90 minutes, he usually is taking about a half hour to complain and cry like a *****. And like I said, does Die Hard run on real time?
Well that sounds very laughable compared to McClane killing a two squads of highly trained killers in the same amount of seconds.
With one hand.
Capturing and shooting McClane would do no good at all, judging by McScreenfeats, (of which Bauer has none MVF wise)
he even shoots himself and wins.
Before you say "He'll shoot him in the head": No one can do that, for some reason, according to 8-9 hours worth of screentime evidence. Hes too lucky.
His interrogation skills are seen all throughout the movies.
He gets info and kills the bad guys.
But thats all moot of course as this is about how Jack Bauer couldn't make it through the Die Hard saga.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well that sounds very laughable compared to McClane killing a two squads of highly trained killers in the same amount of seconds.
With one hand.
Using an explosion? Becuase Jack can replicate that too. Can McClane replicate getting into massive gunfights against opponents with mahcine guns while using only a hnaggun and pawning them all?
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
His interrogation skills are seen all throughout the movies.
He gets info and kills the bad guys.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I want proof
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
But thats all moot of course as this is about how Jack Bauer couldn't make it through the Die Hard saga.
That's right. Let's just try to slip by the fact that McClane can't complete even halfway in to the 24 saga 🙄, whereas Jack has screen-feats which prove he can take on any of the DH plots with ease