Jack Bauer runs the Die Hard Gauntlet

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Plus bringing a tv character in a movie vs forum and expecting everyone to know everything about said tv character is a bit ignorant and biased. See, this is where the all vs forum falls flat on it's face, 'cause surely to educate us about JB and to ensure we have all information please detail every single feat for the entire 8 seasons. Too much? Any feat of McClane's is instantly accessible and remembered because of the condensed medium, with JB it really isn't.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Not with the ease Bauer does it. And saying "I think so. I don't remember" isn't proof. Try again.

You say "With What McClane has shown". What? Give me some specifics and indulge me about how he not only endured massive damage but operated at "run-up-wall-and-break-man's-neck (during which he receives stab wound)" levels after

By "something a human can do", are you attempting to downplay the feat as to say that just because it's humanly possible, McClane can do it? Because I don't think so. It takes a lot of strength to run up a wall (and even more to snap a man's neck), compounded by previously withstanded torture and a plane crash. McClane's never shown that endurance. He would have probably spent the next hour after the plane crash resting and bitching to Al because he got some glass in his foot

It was a regular wall-run, but McClane would not have been able to do it because he's horrible in H2H (and prove otherwise) and would not have withstood the prior pain-limit-inducing torture and plane crash that came before it

The same as McClane. Use whatever resources he has around him to launch an offensive. Hell, he's more resourceful than McClane.

Again, you're taking something not impossible and not way-out-there and saying "McClane can't do it", when as a man; an extremely capable one at that, it's within his limits. McClane's not seen taking a shit on screen, are we too assume he can't defecate? Some things are just given considering we have a grounded base. But fine, McClane can't break a man's neck with just his hands, he wouldn't need to he'd smash heads against the nearest wall/pavement, or throw him off the nearest height.

So this "wall run" is just "regular", but it's out of McClane's powers? Okay, that's odd. He doesn't have horrible H2H, he's just not idiotically fancy. His punches and headbutts get the job down. LoL at McClane not having durability, that's already been shown to be superhuman.

So McClane can't break a man's neck with "just his hands" cos he's not shown it, but Bauer can launch a car now like McClane did, even though he's not shown it? Does that seem fair and objective to you?

Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
That's probably because the shouty-man-pointing-a-gun-while-averting- confusing-terror-plots shtick got old really fast (in fact JB was actually placidly played 1st/2nd season until they turned him into 'action man' for the ratings) while McClane has definitely evolved in character from the first to the fourth.

Plus bringing a tv character in a movie vs forum and expecting everyone to know everything about said tv character is a bit ignorant and biased. See, this is where the all vs forum falls flat on it's face, 'cause surely to educate us about JB and to ensure we have all information please detail every single feat for the entire 8 seasons. Too much? Any feat of McClane's is instantly accessible and remembered because of the condensed medium, with JB it really isn't.

But hey, this from what I know about JB's abilities:

DH1: Makes it to the elevator shaft where he plunges to his death after failing to grab the vent opening. I wouldn't say he's physically stronger than McClane.

DH2: Makes it to the runway where his lack of McClane strength causes his head to be crushed as he's struggling with the manhole cover.

DH3: He does well for most of this scenario because the plot is more his syle of operating but I don't see him getting out of the tunnel with all the water battering him, he'd be plucked off the ladder like a fly.

DH4: I'd say doable for this one if, and only if he has some sort of weapon and ammo left for the tunnel/car/helicopter scene. If not the free runners go in and waste him.

Excellent analysis.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, you're taking something not impossible and not way-out-there and saying "McClane can't do it", when as a man; an extremely capable one at that, it's within his limits.

His H2H limits were shown on that airplane wing. He got his ass ****ing kicked by a guy Bauer would consider an amatuer.

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane's not seen taking a shit on screen, are we too assume he can't defecate? Some things are just given considering we have a grounded base.

We do have a base. The fight on the airplane. McClane got ****ing owned. I don't recall Bauer ever getting owned, even when taking on multiple opponents at once

Originally posted by Robtard
But fine, McClane can't break a man's neck with just his hands, But he wouldn't need to when fighting Bauer, he'd use his size/weight advantage and smash Bauer's head against the nearest wall, or throw him down some stairs, as he has in his films

He actually has to use surfaces because he's too weak to do it himself? LOL

Originally posted by Robtard
So this "wall run" is just "regular", but it's out of McClane's powers?

You said it was regular. I'm stating how it's not, especially when you've just been tortured to your physical extremes.

He doesn't have horrible H2H, he's just not idiotically fancy. His punches and headbutts get the job down.

Bauer's taken on literally 4 opponents at the same time H2H and beat them all down, a headbutt and one-arm bodyslam included.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL at McClane not having durability, that's already been shown to be superhuman.

I'm not saying his durability isn't superhuman, just not on Bauer's level

Originally posted by Robtard
So McClane can't break a man's neck with "just his hands" cos he's not shown it, but Bauer can launch a car now like McClane did, even though he's not shown it? Does that seem fair and objective to you?

Major difference there. The first a a H2H fight reliant entirely on skill. We saw the limit of McClane's skill when we saw that guy kick his ass, whereas Jack has both performed and taken down much tougher opponents than that guy, which is why it stands to reason that

Bauer>>>Guy who kicked McClane's ass
Bauer>>>>>>McClane

The second scenario is based entirely around the idea that if trapped in such a position, they will notice the resources in their environment to implement a quick escape, and yes, Bauer is very skilled in doing that, which is why I do believe Bauer can launch a car. He's used vehicles as improvised weaponry before

McClane still wins, despite all this surmising to the incredibly hypothetical and increasinglly more ludicrous contrary.

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LoL, dude. You're clearly saying McClane lacks the ability to break another human's neck with his bare-hands cos he hasn't specifically done that exact move, while ignoring McClane's shown capabilities and at times super-human levels of strength.

Then with the same breath, you're claiming Bauer will just be able to launch a car like McClane did, cos he's "used vehicles as weapons before".

You don't see the sheer conflicting nonsense of your stances?

You have not presented any proof, so thus you and Rob go on continuing to stroke McClane's other bald head illogically while us sane people see that Bauer's the obvious winner all day (literally) every day.

Been analyzing logically all the way with you.

And by your logic, all enemies that Bauer fights are special pansies put there to fall at Bauer's whim..

And they arent even big tough Movie badguy pansies either.

Nope. They're TV hero fodder. They were beaten up at school by the the kinds of guys that McClane kills whilst opening his 1st beer of the morning, and had to give their lunch money to Simon Gruber lowest lackey every day of the week.

Originally posted by Robtard
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LoL, dude. You're clearly saying McClane lacks the ability to break another human's neck with his bare-hands cos he hasn't specifically done that exact move, while ignoring McClane's shown capabilities and at times super-human levels of strength.

Like I said, the burden of proof is on you. I'm not ignoring what I haven't seen. I had to present you with all the info on Bauer. I'd expect you to show the same curiosity. I went on youtube and hunted down specific videos and stated specific feats. You and Sadako have just been ignorantly stating

"I've been a member of the RideTheOtherMcBaldhead club 4EVERZ! MClane WINZ! YEAHZ!"

Show me some proof and I'll recant. The fact that you refuse to (probably because you can't) just strengthens my argument

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. They're TV hero fodder. They were beaten up at school by the the kinds of guys that McClane kills whilst opening his 1st beer of the morning, and had to give their lunch money to Simon Gruber lowest lackey every day of the week.

😂

Originally posted by Lestov16
Like I said, the burden of proof is on you. I'm not ignoring what I haven't seen. I had to present you with all the info on Bauer. I'd expect you to show the same curiosity. I went on youtube and hunted down specific videos and stated specific feats. You and Sadako have just been ignorantly stating

"I've been a member of the RideTheOtherMcBaldhead club 4EVERZ! MClane WINZ! YEAHZ!"

Show me some proof and I'll recant. The fact that you refuse to (probably because you can't) just strengthens my argument

LoL. I played by your logic above. McClane can't snap a neck with his barehands:

But fine, McClane can't break a man's neck with just his hands

Now show me proof of Bauer launching a car at a armed helicopter in the looney-toon fashion McClane did.

dp

Originally posted by Lestov16
Like I said, the burden of proof is on you. I'm not ignoring what I haven't seen. I had to present you with all the info on Bauer. I'd expect you to show the same curiosity. I went on youtube and hunted down specific videos and stated specific feats. You and Sadako have just been ignorantly stating

"I've been a member of the RideTheOtherMcBaldhead club 4EVERZ! MClane WINZ! YEAHZ!"

Show me some proof and I'll recant. The fact that you refuse to (probably because you can't) just strengthens my argument

Nope. All arguments have been presented here before.
Research the many threads there have been here.
The answers you seek are all there.

"Ignorantly?" Or was it "immmrrhhatryryy" cant tell when you have all that Bauer lunchbox in yer gob. 🙂

McClane survived all his trials so far, fighting off allcomers from every level of human villain from street thug, through to top military brass (on the big screen), ALIVE. Bauer did not.

🙂

Show me proof that it was intentional, because if McClane's universe works off the logic that f-35s flying under falling overpasses count as expert decisions, there's no telling what McClane's intentions were. He could have been going to find his blankey

That fighter pilot was manuevering himself into a better position to gun down his target.

A McClane.

And he had never shot at a McClane before.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Like I said, the burden of proof is on you. I'm not ignoring what I haven't seen. I had to present you with all the info on Bauer. I'd expect you to show the same curiosity. I went on youtube and hunted down specific videos and stated specific feats. You and Sadako have just been ignorantly stating

"I've been a member of the RideTheOtherMcBaldhead club 4EVERZ! MClane WINZ! YEAHZ!"

Show me some proof and I'll recant. The fact that you refuse to (probably because you can't) just strengthens my argument

He broke Karl's brother's neck and even if you try to say it was the fall McClane still had his arm wrapped around it with the intention. The fall helped but the intention was there.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Show me proof that it was intentional, because if McClane's universe works off the logic that f-35s flying under falling overpasses count as expert decisions, there's no telling what McClane's intentions were. He could have been going to find his blankey

So you're dodging the question? Good tactic. Bauer can't launch cars until you show proof.

Bauer can't get past DH4 then, likely not even DH1 due to his lack of super-human strength and durability with the ledge scene.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Nope. All arguments have been presented here before.
Research the many threads there have been here.
The answers you seek are all there.

Since the strongest person McClane you guys have pitted against McClane would probably get his salad tossed by Bauer, I don't think so.

Like I said, the burden of proof is on you.

Also funny how in some McClane threads, you both sound like insane people arguing in his defense when he would get ****ing mauled

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
"Ignorantly?" Or was it "immmrrhhatryryy" cant tell when you have all that Bauer lunchbox in yer gob. 🙂.

What's that? Greatest action hero ever who has single-handedly saved BILLIONS of lives? I'd much rather have him on my lunchbox than sucking on the right testicle of a guy who cries like a ***** to a fat cop who can't see straight after he gets some glass stuck in his foot

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
McClane survived all his trials so far, fighting off allcomers from every level of human villain from street thug, through to top military brass (on the big screen), ALIVE. Bauer did not. .

Yeah he did. He's alive. And like I said many times before that you and Rob are so afraid of, based on how easy it takes to kick McClane's ass, if Simon decided to torture McClane when he captured him and electrocute him for an hour and a half, McClane would have cried like a ***** for about 30 minutes at the most and died. And that's considering he also didn't survive a plane crash and take out a commando teams
🙂

-It's now easy to kick McClane's ass? LoL.

-McClane was on the outside of a plane when it crashed and he survived. (DH4) Of note. Normal people do survive plane crashes. It's rare to survive an F-35 trying to kill you though.

-McClane did take out a unit of US Special Forces. (DH2)

McClane's feats are completely off topic though, this thread is about Bauer trying to pass the Diehard, he can't.

Originally posted by Robtard

McClane was on the outside of a plane when it crashed and he survived.

Because during the process of getting the shit kicked out of him, he fell off the plane because he couldn't handle his opponent, unlike Bauer, who would have snapped that guys neck in two seconds

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane did take out a unit of US Special Forces.

What do you know? Bauer did too. AFTER being involved in a plane crash (that they shot down). And you know what? It only took him 10 minutes. Not to mention they were ambushing him. How long did it take McClane? Oh...yeah...