But yeah, you're right, McClane doesn't do more with less.
But yeah, you're right, McClane doesn't do more with less.
Originally posted by Lestov16
I guess he does. It's too bad [b]his feats suck compared to Bauer, or else he'd be actually be a good contender 🙂 [/B]
Originally posted by RobtardBut yeah, you're right, McClane doesn't do more with less.
McClane wins. As shown above..
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
They don't suck, they're close/on par.
Well........
In H2H, absolutely not. They suck compared to Bauer's. Bauer snaps people's necks like a twig, with any available set of limbs. McClane has to fall down a flight of stairs to do the same. And his resisting 20 months of Chinese torture (along with his better resistance to a bullet to the torso than McClane) proves he has better durability.
McClane's multiple losses in H2H combat, only winning by grabbing a weapon at the last minute, prove that in pure H2H, he has very poor fighting skills and would go down easily. Stuart probably would have killed McClane in a second if he didn't have to steady himself on the airplane wing, and even then, he still beat McClane effortlessly. Mai Lihn effortlessly knocked McClane out twice, even after sustaining McClane's blows (which speaks very poorly of his fighting strength).
McClane's only advantage in his CQB fights is usually outlasting his opponent in durability until he can grab an available weapon, and since he can't grab an available weapon in a pure H2H match, it's only a matter of time until he is worn completely down
In Firearm proficiency, very true, but Bauer does edge him out because of his combat experience. He never misses and is incredibly precise, able to shoot the guns out of people's hands, door handles, assault helicopters, and hostage-holders. And let's not forget how he outright slaughtered a US Consulate even with a stab to the rib.
In melee, it would appear at first glance that McClane has good feats, but further examination actually reveals McClane different. I mean what's McClane's best CQB melee kill?
Cochrane, in DH2, who got killed by the conveyor belt? He was distracted
Stabbing Baker in the eye with an icicle? He was distracted
Guy whose head McClane bashed in with the door in DH3? He was unaware of McClane's presence
It's very apparent that the only time McClane if effective in melee is if his opponent is distracted or outright unaware of his presence. It is outright shown in the fourth film when he attempts to employ melee against Mai Lihn and gets immediately disarmed that if he attempts to take an opponent head on in melee, that he is near-defenseless
Now you may be wondering what will make this melee match different than McClane's others, in which he outlasts his opponents, and the answer is simply that none of his opponents are nearly has deadly as Jack Bauer
Bauer, unlike McClane, has onscreen feats of near-immediately disarming anybody who comes at him. There was an assassin sent to kill him with a syringe in Season 5. Jack immediately disarmed him and stabbed him in the neck with his own syringe. Imagine if that were McClane and his icicle....
So as far as their feats being comparable, there you go. Bauer clearly outclasses him.
Originally posted by Casper Whitey
No, it was close to the same.
I disagree. The help might equate to getting directions with McClane..
Thats different to being able to call in airstrikes at will and having an entire organisation assisting on things all the way, and having them save him all the time, isn't it..?
And If they aren't there, it might be poop sandwich for Bauer..
Originally posted by Sadako of GirthDo I really need to post the support McClane had in all four films?
I disagree. The help might equate to getting directions with McClane..
Thats different to being able to call in airstrikes at will and having an entire organisation assisting on things all the way, and having them save him all the time, isn't it..?
And If they aren't there, it might be poop sandwich for Bauer..
Originally posted by Lestov16
I guess he does. It's too bad [b]his feats suck compared to Bauer, or else that would actually have some relevance 🙂Nice job with the blatant trollish strawmanning though [/B]
Using a car as as missile on a moments notice is a "sucky" feat? LoL, MR. Idownplateverythingmcclanedoes.
Blatant trolling? While I added a comedic angle to those pics, it's exactly how it went down, Bauer was trapped and called Tony for help, again. Cry more though.
Strawman? You don't know what a strawman argument is.
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This "Bauer being saved by airstrike" crap is nonsensical crap and once again false strawmanning devised by reprehensible trolls
The situation with Saunders and the airstrike is not the same as with McClane in the tunnel.
The copter's main goal with Saunders was to get away, which is why the airstrike was the most effective means to stop it. It wasn't trying to attack Bauer, and Bauer was not trying to be "saved", he was trying to stop Saunders from leaving in the most efficient way possible.
Bauer could have probably shot Saunders as he was running towards the copter if that was his incentive, but it wasn't. He realllly needed Saunders alive to get info out of him, so that's why he didn't engage him.
Again, Bauer wasn't saved because he wasn't in danger. His incentive wasn't to escape with his life, but to stop Saunders from escaping, and the airstrike was undoubtedly the most efficient way of doing that.
What would McClane have done in that situation? If you honestly say that McClane would have shot at the chopper to obstruct it from leaving, rather than use an airstrike if he had one available, then that just makes McClane sound like a reckless retard 😬
Now if you want to really talk about what Jack does when he is actually attacked by a helicopter, just look at Season 5, where he actually shoots down a helicopter with a handgun. He doesn't run away like a punk into a tunnel for safety. He just pulls out his gun and downs the b!tch right there
So again, to you McClaniac trolls out there, stop. Just stop.....
Originally posted by Lestov16Now if you want to [b]really
talk about what Jack does when he is actually attacked by a helicopter, just look at Season 5, where he actually shoots down a helicopter with a handgun. He doesn't run away like a punk into a tunnel for safety. He just pulls out his gun and downs the b!tch right thereSo again, to you McClaniac trolls out there, stop. Just stop..... [/B]
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Originally posted by Lestov16
😆This "Bauer being saved by airstrike" crap is nonsensical crap and once again false strawmanning devised by reprehensible trolls
The situation with Saunders and the airstrike is not the same as with McClane in the tunnel.
The copter's main goal with Saunders was to get away, which is why the airstrike was the most effective means to stop it. It wasn't trying to attack Bauer, and Bauer was not trying to be "saved", he was trying to stop Saunders from leaving in the most efficient way possible.
Bauer could have probably shot Saunders as he was running towards the copter if that was his incentive, but it wasn't. He realllly needed Saunders alive to get info out of him, so that's why he didn't engage him.
Again, Bauer wasn't saved because he wasn't in danger. His incentive wasn't to escape with his life, but to stop Saunders from escaping, and the airstrike was undoubtedly the most efficient way of doing that.
What would McClane have done in that situation? If you honestly say that McClane would have shot at the chopper to obstruct it from leaving, rather than use an airstrike if he had one available, then that just makes McClane sound like a reckless retard 😬
Now if you want to [b]really
talk about what Jack does when he is actually attacked by a helicopter, just look at Season 5, where he actually shoots down a helicopter with a handgun. He doesn't run away like a punk into a tunnel for safety. He just pulls out his gun and downs the b!tch right thereSo again, to you McClaniac trolls out there, stop. Just stop..... [/B]
LoL, what a pile of excuses.
Stop saying "strawman", you have no idea what a strawman argument is.
Bauer TRIED TO SHOOT SAUNDERS TO SLOW/STOP HIM, he couldn't though as he quickly had to duck for cover. Bauer was effectively pinned and needed help, again.
Hahahahaahaaahhaha. You're right, Bauer's was never in danger from the chopper-gunner when it opend fire on him; he just decided to take cover for the fun of it. Just stop.
McClane would have had to shoot the copter, as that's what he does when his gun is still full of bullet, as he's a movie action hero, though just shooting the copter is a little lowbrow for him.
LoL, more downplay of McClane, his main goal was saving Farrell. Also, McClane's shot down a copter with a more impressive feat by using snub-nose revolver(poor aim) to shoot a box-power and wire to take it down. Far superior in terms of implausible skills than simply shooting the readily visible pilot or the engine. Did that copter even have a gunman?This is easily the 7th time you've been told this.
So despite your excuses for Bauer (which were hilariously bad) and downplays of McClane, you're proven wrong and shown-up once again.
Originally posted by Robtard
Bauer TRIED TO SHOOT SAUNDERS TO SLOW/STOP HIM, he couldn't though as he quickly had to duck for cover. Bauer was effectively pinned and needed help, again.
Yeah, stop with the bullshit. Bauer's main priority was preventing Saunder's escape in the most efficient manner possible. It's incredibly blatant that Bauer could not have attacked the helicopter because the vantage point he was at left him completely exposed to the gunner' fire.
Originally posted by Robtard
Hahahahaahaaahhaha. You're right, Bauer's was never in danger from the chopper-gunner when it opend fire on him; he just decided to take cover for the fun of it. Just stop.
Ugh, you trolls disgust me. It's incredibly blatant that Bauer could not have attacked the helicopter because the vanatge point he was at left him completely exposed to the gunner's fire.
Originally posted by Robtard
McClane would have had to shoot the copter,
Then he would have died, because the position he would be at would leave him completely exposed. McClane's accuracy is not as good as you overhype it to be. Look at the picture you posted. The distance between Bauer and the copter is wayyyyyyyyyyyy farther than the distance between McClane and the wirebox he shot at.
Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, more downplay of McClane, his main goal was saving Farrell.
And Bauer's main goal was stopping Saunders. I love how much of a biased hypocrite you are with McClane feats 😆
Originally posted by Robtard
Also, McClane's shot down a copter with a more impressive feat by using snub-nose revolver(poor aim) to shoot a box-power and wire to take it down.
Then he didn't "shoot down" the copter then. And he was lucky because if that box wasn't there, Simon would have lit his ass up.
It's not a testament to his skill with a handgun. It's only due to the circumstances (Simon's helicopter being right where the wires could tangle in it) that McClane didn't die there, because if McClane had to have solely relied on his revolver to get out of that situation, and no wirebox was present, Simon would have raped him.
At least Bauer needs only his handgun and nothing else. MCClane can't even say that.
And if it were so easy for him that time, then why did he drive like a bytch from Gabriel's men when he could have easily taken cover in the FBI agent's car and shot the copter down right on the street? It would have been far more efficient. Bauer would have done that, as he has proven feats of doing so.
Originally posted by Robtard
Far superior in terms of implausible skills than simply shooting the readily visible pilot or the engine.
😂 Hey, McDeez, the wirebox was more "readily visible" than the pilot or engine, so again, you are a trolling liar and hypocrite
Originally posted by Robtard
Did that copter even have a gunman?This is easily the 7th time you've been told this.
The one Bauer shot down? Duh. They were shooting at him, so it's blatantly obvious. It also had more people than the copter McClane had to run away into a tunnel from, so it's not like McClane takes on more dangerous helicopters either.
Originally posted by Robtard
So despite your excuses for Bauer (which were hilariously bad) and downplays of McClane, you're proven wrong and shown-up once again.
No, actually it's quite the opposite. I proved both of my points, both that Bauer has better feats than McClane, and that you and Saddie are nothing but reprehensible trolls who engage in nonsensical bullshit strawmanning and outright lying because you wish to ignore the facts and spread lies, and there is nothing more despicable and pathetic than someone who purposely spreads lies as facts, IMO.
I believe I'm going to start ignoring you and Saddie's post and only reply to Casper's or others who actually use logical thinking to determine outcomes of scenarios rather than their rabid fanboyism.