Jack Bauer vs John McClane

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah, stop with the bullshit. [b]Bauer's main priority was preventing Saunder's escape in the most efficient manner possible. It's incredibly blatant that Bauer could not have attacked the helicopter because the vantage point he was at left him completely exposed to the gunner' fire.

Ugh, you trolls disgust me. It's incredibly blatant that Bauer could not have attacked the helicopter because the vanatge point he was at left him completely exposed to the gunner's fire.

Then he would have died, because the position he would be at would leave him completely exposed. McClane's accuracy is not as good as you overhype it to be. Look at the picture you posted. The distance between Bauer and the copter is wayyyyyyyyyyyy farther than the distance between McClane and the wirebox he shot at.

And Bauer's main goal was stopping Saunders. I love how much of a biased hypocrite you are with McClane feats 😆

Then he didn't "shoot down" the copter then. And he was lucky because if that box wasn't there, Simon would have lit his ass up.

It's not a testament to his skill with a handgun. It's only due to the circumstances (Simon's helicopter being right where the wires could tangle in it) that McClane didn't die there, because if McClane had to have solely relied on his revolver to get out of that situation, and no wirebox was present, Simon would have raped him.

At least Bauer needs only his handgun and nothing else. MCClane can't even say that.

And if it were so easy for him that time, then why did he drive like a bytch from Gabriel's men when he could have easily taken cover in the FBI agent's car and shot the copter down right on the street? It would have been far more efficient. Bauer would have done that, as he has proven feats of doing so.

😂 Hey, McDeez, the wirebox was more "readily visible" than the pilot or engine, so again, you are a trolling liar and hypocrite

The one Bauer shot down? Duh. They were shooting at him, so it's blatantly obvious. It also had more people than the copter McClane had to run away into a tunnel from, so it's not like McClane takes on more dangerous helicopters either.

No, actually it's quite the opposite. I proved both of my points, both that Bauer has better feats than McClane, and that you and Saddie are nothing but reprehensible trolls who engage in nonsensical bullshit strawmanning and outright lying because you wish to ignore the facts and spread lies, and there is nothing more despicable and pathetic than someone who purposely spreads lies as facts, IMO. [/B]

LoL, this clown. Get your shit straight, you had just said "It wasn't trying to attack Bauer" in regards to the helicopter, but now Bauer was hiding because he would have been shot, which is what I previously said and you disagreed and cried up some nonsense. Bauer was pinned and needed help and needed to be saved from said gunner who ha him pinned behind a wall. /fact

McClane has implausible accuracy when the scene cals for it, that's a perk he gets being an action movie star. So yes, in that scene he'd have shot the gunner and exploded the copter with his second shot in a nonsensical fashion. ie McClane Factor.

Correct and no one argued that Bauer's main goal wasn't trying t stop Saunders. But Bauer did get his ass pinned down and he needed to call in for help to both save his ass from a gunman and to stop Saunders. ie Bauer failed there. WHICH IS THE POINT. McClane's goal was to get Farrell to safety, he did so without help and he took out the threats by himself. McClane +2 Bauer 0

LoL. McClane shot a gun and a helicopter went down directly because of it. Just stop.

Just stop downplaying. Shooting a small power-box with a snub nose revolver is skillful and more importantly, deducing that the wires would break free and stop the helicopter shows INCREDIBLE on-the-fly thinking and ingenuity. Which Bauer lacks compared to McClane. McClane +1

LoL, what? The helicopter was flying above, had two machine guns and surprised everyone. Getting Farrell out of the immediate danger zone was needed most. He then went on to take out one gunner with a fire hydrant, something Baeur couldn't do in his grounded more in reality show. McClane +1

McClane was also "out of bullets", so shooting the copter wasn't an option. You've been told his 15+ times now, troll.

A small box is a much harder target than the side of helicopter or a human body, especially factoring in the gun McClane has in that scene and that McClane hd to factor in the wire trick as well. But no, you're right, just shooting at helicopter is more impressive than the implausible scenario McClane did.

Post the Bauer helicopter scene, as you've consistently shown that you ridiculously over-hype Bauer's feats. POST IT OR SHUT UP ALREADY.

Incorrect. You've proven that you downplay McClane's feats (eg launching a car being not impressive), boost Bauer's (eg your nonsense about Bauer in the Chinese consulate being 99% wrong) and absolutely beyond a doubt do not know what a "strawman argument" entails. So do stop accusing others of it.

Originally posted by Robtard
Get your shit straight, you had just said "It wasn't trying to attack Bauer" in regards to the helicopter, but now Bauer was hiding because he would have been shot, which is what I previously said and you disagreed and cried up some nonsense. Bauer was pinned and needed help and needed to be saved from said gunner who ha him pinned behind a wall. /fact

Yep. Keep ignoring the blatant fact that Bauer was in a unfavorable vantage point and that McClane would have been just as phucked if he were in the same position because he has no feats to show otherwise. You are a troll who is ignoring blatant evidence. /fact

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane has implausible accuracy when the scene cals for it, that's a perk he gets being an action movie star.
So yes, in that scene he'd have shot the gunner and exploded the copter with his second shot in a nonsensical fashion. ie McClane Factor.

😆 "When the scene calls for it"? Wow, that's not even an logical argument. That's just pure uninhibited fanboyism. Damn, your trolling is even more pathetic than I originally presumed. You have no shame in spewing your bullshit. Just pitiable 🙁

Originally posted by Robtard
Correct and no one argued that Bauer's main goal wasn't trying t stop Saunders. But Bauer did get his ass pinned down and he needed to call in for help to both save his ass from a gunman and to stop Saunders. ie Bauer failed there. WHICH IS THE POINT.

So what? McClane doesn't have any feats that say he would have produced a different outcome in he were in that position, so there is NO POINT to your nonsense. Again, you prove yourself to be a strawmanning troll.

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane's goal was to get Farrell to safety, he did so without help

Um no, he ran like a bytch into a tunnel for safety

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL. McClane shot a gun and a helicopter went down directly because of it. Just stop.

Not the same, and the fact that you have to play with semantics because your McBytchboy clearly is lacking in feats just makes your argument more pathetically retarded than it originally was

Originally posted by Robtard
Just stop downplaying. Shooting a small power-box with a snub nose revolver is skillful and more importantly, deducing that the wires would break free and stop the helicopter shows INCREDIBLE on-the-fly thinking and ingenuity.

😆 With your strawmanning bullshit. We're talking about who is better at taking down copters more efficiently, and considering that McClane has proven onscreen that he can't given how he has to shoot wireboxes and deploy cars, it's quite clear Bauer massively outclasses him.

Originally posted by Robtard
Getting Farrell out of the immediate danger zone was needed most.

Hey, McHypocrite, Capturing Saunders was what was needed most, and the airstrike was the most efficient way of doing that

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane was also "out of bullets", so shooting the copter wasn't an option. You've been told his 15+ times now, troll.

He shouldn't have wasted his bullets then. If McClane was as good a marksman as you say, he should've still had half a clip after shooting down the chopper. I love how onscreen evidence just proves how utterly full of shit you and Saddie are 😆

Originally posted by Robtard
But no, you're right, just shooting at helicopter is more impressive than the implausible scenario McClane did.

Thanks for agreeing. And I'm glad your thick skull has finally realized that the situation McClane was in was implausible and thus unrepeatable.

Originally posted by Robtard
Post the Bauer helicopter scene, as you've consistently shown that you ridiculously over-hype Bauer's feats. POST IT OR SHUT UP ALREADY.

I could..................but you say you've seen the first half of Season 5 already, which means you should have seen it, unless you weren't paying attention because your forehead was buried in McClane's pubes, or, more likely, you are once again lying 🙂 . Take the advice you and Saddie have given me multiple times: Go find it yourself

Originally posted by Robtard
Chinese consulate being 99% wrong

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Wow, what pathetic debating if this is the best you can do. You can't criticize any of my current points so you try to criticize some mistaken shit that I said months ago and has nothing to do my current argument? Again, how pathetic and outright sad. I though you would do better, but instead I'm just ashamed and pitiful for you 🙁

LoL this clown selectively picking parts of my post he thinks he can counter and ignoring the parts he can't. Anyhow.

McClane was in an unfavorable vantage point (did you purposely forget they riddled the car with bullets before he launched it) is his helicopter scene and he was out of bullets; that didn't stop him completing his objective and obliterating his enemies. McClane +2 Bauer 0

How else do you explain all the improbable feats, jackass. Unless you still believe launching a car like a missile is both not impressive and easy.

WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. McClane has 'using a radio' feat, so yes, he could have replicated Bauer's feat (not that he would) in calling in for help cos he was stuck and failed his objective. LoL, you're always wrong, man.

Taking cover and then attacking isn't "running like a *****". Hiding and then calling in for help cos you're pinned is more akin to 'being a *****'. McClane + 1 Bauer 0

LoL, hypocrite, you're the one playing games. "He didn't shoot the copter so it doesn't count!!!1!"

Again, you don't know what a strawman is, so stop. Yeah no, McClane's feats taking out copters are far more impressive, as they require silly levels of skill and the suspension of the laws of physics. ie The McClane Factor in affect.

Hypocrite? Which Bauer's didn't do. He failed to capture Saunders and he got himself in a position where he was rendered useless, so he had to call in for help and have OTHER PEOPLE COMPLETE HIS OBJECTIVE FOR HIM. McClane didn't, he saved Farrell and killed his enemies, all alone and without bullets. McClane +2 Bauer -2

LoL, more downplaying. Stop already, it's sad.

LoL, what a ****ing clown. You have no idea if it's "unrepeatable" to McClane, we're talking action movies. Also, who the **** cares, McClane did do it, Bauer never could. McClane +1 Bauer -1

LoL, the classic "I could prove you wrong but I won't!" troll tactic. Concession accepted, man. Either post the clip and allow it to be scrutinized or STFU already.

Dude Kim Bauer is so effing hot.

Originally posted by Casper Whitey
Dude Kim Bauer is so effing hot.

Yup.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yup.

now this thread is starting to get interesting...

Lucy McClane vs. Kim Bauer.

Kim only wins if it's a getting kidnapped contest.

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Mary has by far aged better than Elisha.

Originally posted by Robtard
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Mary has by far aged better than Elisha.

The first and so-far only correct thing you've posted for 39 pages

And all those other points which crushed your nonsense and made you cry for 39 pages and counting.

......were bullshit and should be disregarded as such

Still waiting for you to post that clip, Lestroll. But continue crying, it's funny.

I know it took you 8 months of rigorous mental strain to put together that "Lestroll" quip, so congratulations 🙂

As far as the clip, if you care so much about it, find it yourself. I think it's irrelevant to this thread and the thread scenario, so it's not worth my time examining. I don't need that one clip to validate Bauer's win here, because he has plenty more feats that clearly prove Bauer's win here . So like I said, if you care about it so much, go find it and examine it yourself (even though your biased mind will undoubtedly cause you to downplay it)

I find it so funny you are focusing on that one scene, in a hilariously blatant (and pathetic) attempt to draw attention away from the fact that all of your other arguments for McClane have been proven to be utterly full of shit and you have been exposed as the despicable fanboyish troll that you are.

McClane taking down a copter with a car has nothing to do with H2H, gunfights, CQ melee, or general counterterrorism, and the fact that you are treating it like it does, and like it's actually relevant to the scenario of this thread, either means that you are retarded, a troll, or both (massively high probability of the last one 😂 )

Jack definitely wins the 4th scenario.

dunno if that's even what this thread is about anymore.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I know it took you 8 months of rigorous mental strain to put together that "Lestroll" quip, so congratulations 🙂

As far as the clip, if you care so much about it, find it yourself. I think it's irrelevant to this thread and the thread scenario, so it's not worth my time examining. I don't need that one clip to validate Bauer's win here, because he has plenty more feats that clearly prove Bauer's win here . So like I said, if you care about it so much, go find it and examine it yourself (even though your biased mind will undoubtedly cause you to downplay it)

I find it so funny you are focusing on that one scene, in a hilariously blatant (and pathetic) attempt to draw attention away from the fact that all of your other arguments for McClane have been proven to be utterly full of shit and you have been exposed as the despicable fanboyish troll that you are.

McClane taking down a copter with a car has nothing to do with H2H, gunfights, CQ melee, or general counterterrorism, and the fact that you are treating it like it does, and like it's actually relevant to the scenario of this thread, either means that you are retarded, a troll, or both (massively high probability of the last one 😂 )

So instead of just supporting a claim YOU MADE, you insult, try to deflect away that you can't support said claim and cry.

Good, Lestroll, good.

McClane wins 1-3 as shown and it's arguable if he loses 4, even though you specifically made that cos it supports Bauer's background and you thought you had an easy win there. Poor tactics, that.

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Alright fine. You can believe that retarded load of bullshit all you want. Doesn't speak well of your mental capacity, but hey, nothing you've posted in this thread does 🙂 . Just know that objectively, your bullshit is completely false. Based on feats, Bauer wins 1-3.

It's not just me, more people in here believe McClane wins 1-3 and they can clearly see you made "4) Counter Terrorism" cos you thought you had an easy win there, as Bauer works for a counter terrorism agency and McClane is a cop who happens to get in crazy situations, you coward.

been a while since i have seen the older Die Hard movies, but i don't recall McClane being all that good of a fighter. Not to say that Jack is some kind of master martial artist, but he fights dirty as hell. he bit a dude's neck off one time. lol.

McClane's not fancy, but he gets the job done.

Bauer bite that guy's neck cos he was captured (again), tied to a chair and the guy acting like a moronic amateur put his neck right in front of Bauer's mouth, essentially begging to get bite.

Originally posted by Robtard
you can't support said claim

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You misunderstand me, Robbie. I could pull up the clip from the episode, it's just that I don't want to waste my time researching things for a reprehensible troll. Disgustingly biased trolls such as yourself don't deserve my time and effort.

Originally posted by Robtard
It's not just me, more people in here believe McClane wins 1-3

Oh, you mean your fellow McButtBuddy/Troll, Saddie, because his word sure is refutable 😆

Originally posted by Robtard
and they can clearly see you made "4) Counter Terrorism" cos you thought you had an easy win there, as Bauer works for a counter terrorism agency and McClane is a cop who happens to get in crazy situations, you coward.

😆 You see McBytch can't win any categories here, so you decide to lash out at the thread conditions? Wow 😂 this is truly trolling at it's most disgustingly pathetic. Get yourself some Kleenex, wipe your tears, and man the phuck up and concede that McChump loses here