Jack Bauer vs John McClane

Originally posted by Lestov16
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You misunderstand me, Robbie. I [b]could pull up the clip from the episode, it's just that I don't want to waste my time researching things for a reprehensible troll. Disgustingly biased trolls such as yourself don't deserve my time and effort.

Oh, you mean your fellow McButtBuddy/Troll, Saddie, because his word sure is refutable 😆

😆 You see McBytch can't win any categories here, so you decide to lash out at the thread conditions? Wow 😂 this is truly trolling at it's most disgustingly pathetic. Get yourself some Kleenex, wipe your tears, and man the phuck up and concede that McChump loses here [/B]

Yeah, we covered that you 'could totally pull up the clip and support your claim, but you won't', ie a classic troll tactic.

No, not just me and Sadafko. You know this.

Are you retarded? Counter Terrorism isn't in McClane's favor, as he's not the counter terrorist, Bauer is, you coward. McClane clearly winning 3 out of 4 is good enough for me.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, we covered that you 'could totally pull up the clip and support your claim, but you won't', ie a classic troll tactic.

I'm not going to pull it up because your (probably lying) ass said that you saw it, because you said you watched the first half of Season 5. You're able to screen capture shots from Season 3, so rewatch the first half of season 5 and do the same. I'm not going to sacrifice my time researching for a blatant troll. Do your research on your time, Troll boy 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
No, not just me and Sadafko. You know this.

Who? Show me the post from other than you or Sadako that says that McClane can win the H2H.

Originally posted by Robtard
Are you retarded? Counter Terrorism isn't in McClane's favor, as he's not the counter terrorist, Bauer is, you coward. McClane clearly winning 3 out of 4 is good enough for me.

How does he win the first 3 when based on the aggregate sum of their feats, Bauer outclasses him in those 3 categories?

Oh yeah, you don't know. You're just spouting off your nonsensical trolling bullshit, as usual 🙄

Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm not going to pull it up because your (probably lying) ass said that you saw it, because you said you watched the first half of Season 5. You're able to screen capture shots from Season 3, so rewatch the first half of season 5 and do the same. I'm not going to sacrifice my time researching for a blatant troll. Do your research on your time, Troll boy 🙂

Who? Show me the post from other than you or Sadako that says that McClane can win the H2H.

How does he win the first 3 when based on the aggregate sum of their feats, Bauer outclasses him in those 3 categories?

Oh yeah, you don't know. You're just spouting off your nonsensical trolling bullshit, as usual 🙄

Besides the fact that I've not seen this "helicopter feat" you rant on about, as I stopped watching S5 right after Bauer was captured in the airport(that's what I last watched), IT'S NOT MY ****ING JOB TO SUPPORT A CLAIM YOU MADE. So post a the clip that supports YOUR CLAIM OR GTFO, trollboy.

Are you ****ing serious with this shit? Casper not more than a few pages ago gave the H2H to McClane and the guns. Assclown. DDM and Lord Shadow called you out on your nonsense in here early one. Silent Master thinks McClane wins the MVF match.

With the posted facts over the last 40 pages you dance around and lament over, trolly.

What's the helicopter feat?

quote it if you can.

Originally posted by marwash22
What's the helicopter feat?

quote it if you can.

According to Lestov, the copter had more than 3 men and was:

Originally posted by Lestov16
Now if you want to [b]really talk about what Jack does when he is actually attacked by a helicopter, just look at Season 5, where he actually shoots down a helicopter with a handgun. He doesn't run away like a punk into a tunnel for safety. He just pulls out his gun and downs the b!tch right there
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Which may be true, but he refuses to post evidence, despite saying he's capable of doing so. But going with his record of how wrong he often is when describing a Bauer feat, he needs to prove it. Which he TOTALLY can, but just decides not to.

When Bauer was captured at the airport? 😆 You lying bastard. I thought you said you watched the first half of the season. The shit at the airport was in episode 2 😐 , but here, I'll post the scene for your lying ass anyway:

25:38-26:14

The copter comes, and Bauer proceeds to bring the pwnage. He doesn't run away like a bytch into a tunnel. He doesn't look around frantically for a wirebox. It's Bauer's one handgun against an entire helicopter and Bauer pwns 🙂

Then quote his posts.

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Oh yes, the posted facts such as the oh so irrefutable "HE BEEZ AN ACTION STAR SOZ THE SCENE WILLZ HELP!!"🙄

GTFO with your trolling, McBuffoon

Originally posted by Lestov16
When Bauer was captured at the airport? 😆 You lying bastard. I thought you said you watched the first half of the season. The shit at the airport was in episode 2 😐 , but here, I'll post the scene for your lying ass anyway:

25:38-26:14

The copter comes, and Bauer proceeds to bring the pwnage. He doesn't run away like a bytch into a tunnel. He doesn't look around frantically for a wirebox. It's Bauer's one handgun against an entire helicopter and Bauer pwns 🙂

Then quote his posts.

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Oh yes, the posted facts such as the oh so irrefutable "HE BEEZ AN ACTION STAR SOZ THE SCENE WILLZ HELP!!"🙄

GTFO with your trolling, McBuffoon

Calm down, son. It's been a long time since I took the break. It's the season where Palmer dies.

LoL, let's see:

1) That copter had one gunmen. McClane's had two.

2) Bauer had cover, which you previously tried to downplay McClane for having cover while in the tunnel, despite getting shot up to shit while he drove the car into launch position. Hypocrite much?

3) As noted, the side/engine of a helicpter is FAR EASIER TO HIT than a small wirebox.

4) Bauer had a far superior gun in terms of aim and Bauer had a clip full of bullets. McClane had a snubnose revolver and ONLY two bullets left.

5) Bauer had help form the other agent on the roof, he sacrificed himself long enough to distract the copter and that's when Bauer hit the engine and it started to smoke. McClane had no help

So 1+2+3+4+5 = 15 and it also means that you're once again full of shit and Bauer's helicopter scene isn't more impressive than McClane's in DH3 and certainly not in DH4.

Page 29, five days ago.

Exactly, posted facts, as the ones just posted about which you'll dance around and/or ignore and then cry over too.

Originally posted by Robtard
1) That copter had one gunmen. McClane's had two.

When McClane did his car launch, only one guy jumped out, so.......

Originally posted by Robtard
2) Bauer had cover, which you previously tried to downplay McClane for having cover while in the tunnel,

Are you trying to say that a short wall is equivalent coverage to a massive tunnel? :laugh

Originally posted by Robtard
despite getting shot up to shit while he drove the car into launch position.

He was in a police car. Silly me, but I'd figure they were built to withstand more damage than the average vehicle.

Originally posted by Robtard
3) As noted, the side/engine of a helicpter is FAR EASIER TO HIT than a small wirebox.

If it's that amazingly easy, then why didn't McClane do that then, instead of frantically shooting the wirebox? If it's that EASIER TO HIT, then why wouldn't McClane take that more efficient course of action, rather than frantically look around for a wirebox?

Originally posted by Robtard
4) Bauer had far superior gun in terms of aim and Bauer had a clip full of bullets. McClane had a snubnose revolver and ONLY two bullets left.

If McClane is the marksman you claim, he could have targeted those 2 bullets at the helicopter and made the EASY TO HIT shots at the engine

Originally posted by Robtard
So 1+2+3+4 = 10 and it also means that you're once again full of shit and Bauer's helicopter scene isn't more impressive than McClane's in DH3 and certainly not in DH4.

😆 Actually it shits on McClane's feats, because it shows that Bauer can casually handle helicopters, whereas McClane struggles against them.

Originally posted by Robtard
Exactly, posted facts, as the ones just posted about which you'll dance around and/or ignore and then cry over.

Sorry, your McBullshit doesn't qualify as fact

Originally posted by Robtard
McClane had no help

Besides the massive tunnel full of cars he was able to use as a shield, which is wayyy more support than Bauer had

Originally posted by Lestov16
When McClane did his car launch, only one guy jumped out, so.......

Are you trying to say that a short wall is equivalent coverage to [b]a massive tunnel? :laugh

He was in a police car. Silly me, but I'd figure they were built to withstand more damage than the average vehicle.

If it's that amazingly easy, then why didn't McClane do that then, instead of frantically shooting the wirebox? If it's that EASIER TO HIT, then why wouldn't McClane take that more efficient course of action, rather than frantically look around for a wirebox?

If McClane is the marksman you claim, he could have targeted those 2 bullets at the helicopter and made the EASY TO HIT shots at the engine

😆 Actually it shits on McClane's feats, because it shows that Bauer can casually handle helicopters, whereas McClane struggles against them.

Sorry, your McBullshit doesn't qualify as fact [/B]

Because he had taken out the other gunman with the fire hydrant maneuver. YOU'VE BEEN TOLD THIS MANY TIMES.

I like how you still have to chop up my post into segments and to try and make then something else.

LoL, you saw the clip, it was getting torn the **** up. Police cruisers aren't tanks.

LoL, now that's a strawman, I said shooting the broad side of a helicopter is easier than shooting a small box, not that it's "amazingly easy" McClane also only had two bullets left. Do stop strawmannng though, it's poor form.

Him shooting a small box with a snubnose as shown in the film > your crying ranting downplays. Just accept this and move on.

Oh my, it clearly doesn't, just accept that the video you posted didn't support your "Bauer's better!!!11!" rants.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Besides the massive tunnel full of cars he was able to use as a shield, which is wayyy more support than Bauer had

WTF, seriously, that's retarded, troll. Parked cars are not like having someone else there directly helping you out by drawing fire away from you and thereby allowing counter shots to be made.

McClane was driving directly straight in the copter's direction (to get it in target) and being shot up to shit because of it, so there goes your "the parked cars where supporting McClane!!!" rant. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5z0OaJc2BE

Originally posted by Robtard
Because he had taken out the other gunman with the fire hydrant maneuver. YOU'VE BEEN TOLD THIS MANY TIMES.

Because if McClane actually had Bauer-level skill in firearms, HE WOULD HAVE SHOT DOWN THE CHOPPER RIGHT THERE AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE CHASED AND HAVE TO PERFORM THE HYDRANT MANEUVER IN THE FIRST PLACE

Originally posted by Robtard
I like how you still have to chop up my post into segments and to try and make then something else.

I like that you feel uncomfortable by my scrutinizing every iota of bullshit that you post 🙂

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, now that's a strawman, I said shooting the broad side of a helicopter is easier than shooting a small box

If it's easier then why didn't McClane do it?

Originally posted by Robtard
Him shooting a small box with a snubnose as shown in the film.

.....barely elevates him to near Bauer's accuracy level, who is able to casually shoot open doors and shoot the guns out of peoples hands, a proficiency in firearms that McClane has never shown

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh my, it clearly doesn't

To a blind man maybe. Or a retard. You seem to fall in the latter category. Anyone with more than half a brain cell who examines the aggregate sum of Bauer and McClane's feats can tell that Bauer outclasses him without question. I guess your brain cell only got a quarter of the way formed

Originally posted by Robtard
WTF, seriously, that's retarded, troll. Parked cars are not like having someone else there directly helping you out by drawing fire away from you and thereby allowing counter shots to be made.

Yeah, keep ignoring that McClane was in a farrrrrrr more advantageous position than Bauer in that tunnel and had what essentially amounts to prep

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, you saw the clip, it was getting torn the **** up. Police cruisers aren't tanks.

Are you trying to say the car didn't provide McClane with cover? And so what, the car got shot up, McClane wasn't hit out of sheer luck, and he eventually bailed out the car, so I'm unsure of what your point here even is. You're probably trying to come up with some more nonsensical bullshit to draw away from the fact that your argument for McClane has been all but completely decimated

Originally posted by Robtard
"the [b]parked cars where supporting McClane!!!" [/B]

Yeah, troll. They obvious did support him as he used one to launch his counter-attack

Originally posted by Lestov16
Because if McClane actually had Bauer-level skill in firearms, HE WOULD HAVE SHOT DOWN THE CHOPPER RIGHT THERE AND WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE CHASED AND HAVE TO PERFORM THE HYDRANT MANEUVER IN THE FIRST PLACE

I like that you feel uncomfortable by my scrutinizing every iota of bullshit that you post 🙂

If it's easier then why didn't McClane do it?

.....barely elevates him to [b]near Bauer's accuracy level, who is able to casually shoot open doors and shoot the guns out of peoples hands, a proficiency in firearms that McClane has never shown

To a blind man maybe. Or a retard. You seem to fall in the latter category. Anyone with more than half a brain cell who examines the aggregate sum of Bauer and McClane's feats can tell that Bauer outclasses him without question. I guess your brain cell only got a quarter of the way formed

Yeah, keep ignoring that McClane was in a farrrrrrr more advantageous position than Bauer in that tunnel and had what essentially amounts to prep

Are you trying to say the car didn't provide McClane with cover? And so what, the car got shot up, McClane wasn't hit out of sheer luck, and he eventually bailed out the car, so I'm unsure of what your point here even is. You're probably trying to come up with some more nonsensical bullshit to draw away from the fact that your argument for McClane has been all but completely decimated

Yeah, troll. They obvious did support him as he used one to launch his counter-attack [/B]

Repeat: He was out of bullets. Thereby it being impossible to shoot a gun.

Yeah, it's "uncomfortable" you selectively replying to snippets that take what I said out of context cos you're unable to actually counter what I said in total.

LoL, idiot. "Action Movie".

Oh my, I'd ask you to post proof of these new Bauer claims but you'll likely dance again for pages.

Yeah, you're right, only a "retard" would think the side of a helicopter is both smaller and harder to hit than a small box. In your rage, you've utterly abandoned rational.

Having no back up to draw fire away and driving directly towards a machinegun-man who has an elevated position is now "advantageous"? LoL.

No, you're right, driving a car directly towards a gunner and then launching the car like a missile is not impressive at all. What is impressive, is shooting at the side of a helicopter while someone else draws fire away from you. That takes crazy levels of skill. You've convinced me.

Again, you're right. Parked cars on the side = support, total support. Those parked cars where like if McClane had a S.W.A.T. team at his side.

This 'parked cars=CTU full support' thing is the most obvious lol troll tactic in a long time...
This has to be a pisstake/wind up. 😂

Thats one argument away from: "McClane had equal support to Bauer's CTU and all forces up to the POTUS, 'cause he the ground is like literally supporting him, saving his life in a knowing calculated way...its why its there!!!!!"
Geez talk about your paranoid rant..!
"Arrrrgggghhhh!!! The cars are helping himmmm!!!!!" lol
Is this Transformers...???!?! Is Optimus Prime backing McClane here...? Bumblebee waiting to take down the helicopter, if McClane puts out a request for him to do it? lol1

Parked cars, bushes, Air, Gravity all things that are part of the environment that arent conscious, organised, powerful, equipped with all kinds of hardware and they dont have intelligence backing and aren't assigned to anyone personally. To accuse them of being there to help McClane is netlunacy of the first order.

The sign of a man who has lost the arguement and maybe more...
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McClane FTW

So when are you two having the wedding?

Oh. The wedding of logic and reason with evidence based on screenfeats..?

That seemed called off long ago.

Now things moved onto gimpery, misrepping, and now outright madness from the the Bauer side.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
parked cars=CTU full support'

Wow, you trolling dumbass. That is not what I said at all. I said that McClane had more support (aka was in a more advantageous position) in the tunnel than Bauer was behind the wall, which is entirely true.

No but factoring in the earlier assertion that McClane had equal help and now you offer that up as a statement it outlines exactly how far you go in your utter desperation to avoid the fact that Bauer had masses of backing and access to the help offered by an organisation with serious clout and tech big enough that it can call in airstrikes, and McClanes help extended to what amounts to directions from civilians and such whist he goes and kills the scum and saves the day by himself.

It was a disadvantageous position. The helicopter had range enough for repeated shots and elevation on McClane. And lateral movement options were restricted for McClane being buffered by parked cars and tunnel walls etc

Bauer could have braved it McClane style but noooooooo....

Originally posted by Robtard
Repeat: He was out of bullets. Thereby it being impossible to shoot a gun.

Repeat: If McClane was a good marksman, he wouldn't have ran out of bullets

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, idiot. "Action Movie".

Again, that's not a logical argument. That's your retarded fanboyism

Originally posted by Robtard
Oh my, I'd ask you to post proof of these new Bauer claims but you'll likely dance again for pages.

Shooting gun out of a man's hand- 37:15 (30:33 remaining running time)

Shooting door open- 103:12 (04:36 remaining running time)

Originally posted by Robtard
Yeah, you're right, only a "retard" would think the side of a helicopter is both smaller and harder to hit than a small box. In your rage, you've utterly abandoned rational..

If it's so easy to hit then why didn't McClane hit it? In both encounters with a helicopter, he never attempted such an "easy maneuver", despite the fact that you say it's within his skill range

Originally posted by Robtard
Having no back up to draw fire away and driving directly towards a machinegun-man who has an elevated position is now "advantageous"? LoL..

Um no, having a massive phucking tunnel where the helicopter cant' follow you and you have prep to make an escape plan is "advantageous", dumbass

Originally posted by Robtard
No, you're right, driving a car directly towards a gunner and then launching the car like a missile is not impressive at all.

😆 Hey, idiot, Bauer's more effiecient=more impressive. How long did it take McClane to neutralize that helicopter? Ten minutes? It took Bauer about 2 max.

Originally posted by Robtard
Again, you're right. Parked cars on the side = support, total support. Those parked cars where like if McClane had a S.W.A.T. team at his side.

Wow! nice strawman there, you trolling POS. What does Bauer heading SWAT teams have to do with the helicopter feats, we're talking about, since a CTU team didn't appear in that scene? There is no point. You are just a rather disgusting troll spreading strawmanned bullshit.

McClane had a more advantageous position (thus having better support) in taking down the helicopter than Bauer did because he had a massive tunnel where the copter couldn't reach him. That allowed him to prep=support, total support, more support than Bauer had when he had to shoot down the chopper. Once again, has nothing to do with CTU teams, and just outright exposes you as the strawmanning trolling bastard you really are.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
at Bauer had masses of backing and access to the help offered by an organisation with serious clout and tech big enough that it can call in airstrikes, and McClanes help extended to what amounts to directions from civilians and such whist he goes and kills the scum and saves the day by himself.

SO THE PHUCK WHAT????. It doesn't matter who had more help. Bauer has better feats regarding the thread scenario and wins because of that.

The fact that your pea-brain keeps circling around to this "lone-wolf" point, despite the fact that it is COMPLETELY PHUCKING IRRELEVANT TO THE THREAD TOPIC just shows how limited your mental capacity really is

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It was a disadvantageous position. The helicopter had range enough for repeated shots and elevation on McClane.

Um, no. McClane had massive coverage in that tunnel. He bailed out of the car into the safety of the tunnel before the guy in the the chopper had time to lock onto to him. The guy didn't even know Mcclane left the car because he was that far out of range from him. So stop overhyping McClane and acting like he was in a more dangerous position than he actually was.

McClane was without a doubt in a more advantageous position than Bauer was when he faced the same threat. Onscreen feats say so, you trolling moron

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Bauer could have braved it McClane style but noooooooo....

😆 You trolling retard. Bauer is the one that braved it because he shot down the copter on sight. McClane didn't brave it because he drove away like a bytch.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Repeat: If McClane was a good marksman, he wouldn't have ran out of bullets

[b]If it's so easy to hit then why didn't McClane hit it? In both encounters with a helicopter, he never attempted such an "easy maneuver", despite the fact that you say it's within his skill range

Um no, having a massive phucking tunnel where the helicopter cant' follow you and you have prep to make an escape plan is "advantageous", dumbass

😆 Hey, idiot, Bauer's more effiecient=more impressive. How long did it take McClane to neutralize that helicopter? Ten minutes? It took Bauer about 2 max.

With a call to his buddies.
You're misrepresenting again on the 10 mins thing.

Wow! nice strawman there, you trolling POS. What does Bauer heading SWAT teams have to do with the helicopter feats, we're talking about, since a CTU team didn't appear in that scene? There is no point. You are just a rather disgusting troll spreading strawmanned bullshit.
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There was no strawman: It shows that McClane does it alone and with less backing him up/wiping his ass.

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McClane had a more advantageous position (thus having better support) in taking down the helicopter than Bauer did because he had a massive tunnel where the copter couldn't reach him. That allowed him to prep=support, total support, more support than Bauer had when he had to shoot down the chopper. Once again, has nothing to do with CTU teams, and just outright exposes you as the strawmanning trolling bastard you really are.

No it doesnt.

SO THE PHUCK WHAT????. It doesn't matter who had more help. Bauer has better feats regarding the thread scenario and wins because of that.

The fact that your pea-brain keeps circling around to this "lone-wolf" point, despite the fact that it is COMPLETELY PHUCKING IRRELEVANT TO THE THREAD TOPIC just shows how limited your mental capacity really is

Um, no. McClane had massive coverage in that tunnel. He bailed out of the car into the safety of the tunnel before the guy in the the chopper had time to lock onto to him. The guy didn't even know Mcclane left the car because he was that far out of range from him. So stop overhyping McClane and acting like he was in a more dangerous position than he actually was.

McClane was without a doubt in a more advantageous position than Bauer was when he faced the same threat. Onscreen feats say so, you trolling moron

So you're just locked into repeat stuff ad nauseum until you yourself believe it...is that why you are the way you are?
You opinion/selectively chosen belief that has been careful picked so it could never possibly allow for hurt for your fantasy slurp Bauer, is not fact.
Dangerous bullet laden tunnels full of potential explosives are not advantageous cover.

😆 You trolling retard. Bauer is the one that braved it because he shot down the copter on sight. McClane didn't brave it because he drove away like a bytch. [/B]

Pooooooor Susie. You argue like a 2 year old and in such deeply deeply butthurt fashion...you should watch DH4.) where McClane downs it with a car, not -as you put it- "driving like a Lestov"..

Originally posted by Robtard
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Mary has by far aged better than Elisha.