Which is why it's a circular debate. A snake eating its tail.
It's best to end these with a "guess we must agree to disagree" pact.
Only 3 of you are involved in this fight, but if you guys are having fun so be it. But I don't see this coming to a conclusion. Personally this fight also dangerously crosses into All-Versus Forum territory.
If McClane had a TV series I don't see it being all that different to 24.
You've done a good job debating Bauer though. But there is a reason why I choose to ignore such threads.
I understand how much this verges on AVF territory, but that is why I took measures to make sure there was no confusion. I made a video containing a good amount of his feats, and also listed them.
Would one not do the same on any other debate in this forum, if one of the posters said "I didn't see the movie, could you tell me his feats?" Wouldn't one post videos and such as empirical evidence? Can such evidence just be ignored because the poster has a bias?
Originally posted by Lestov16
You still have yet to explain how McClane beats Bauer in anything, based on screenfeats, so....
Well its multilayered yet simple. McClane has lots of very impressive ones that qualify; Bauer doesn't.
Originally posted by dadudemon
You have not posted "empirical feats".
Originally posted by Lestov16
Perhaps the thread has gotten a bit too serious......
Thats like Michaelangelo stepping away from the Cistine chapel ceiling and saying: "Someones made that ceiling a bit too arty"
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And DDM is actually right here, rightfully noting what has been said all along. ✅
I just did. And the Die Hard Movies do.
(Twice as impressive by your standards to, as they are shown on both in movie theaters, AND on the TV - a format you think qualifies as legit here, rendering DH double the win in your world)
Bauer wins by screenfeats?
'Except he doesn't for a lack of them.'
(And Jack "weak ticker" Bauer cannot kill the unkillable, break the unbreakable. Which by screenfeats, McClane actually IS. )
But hey...ignore the big nasty men's evil words, and go back to believing that Bauer isn't simply a small screen McClane imitation. It will bring you happiness.
🙂
Originally posted by Placidity
Jack Bauer wins, not even close. 10/10 for Jack in all except maybe for the H2H fight, I'd say 9/10.
Originally posted by Odekahn
Ok this is laughable... Bauer roflstomps McClane. It's not even close.
And they are actually right here, rightfully noting what has been said all along 🙂
Not so, as they're wrong.
Besides: These guys have more movie screenfeats than Bauer:
YouTube video
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I just did. And the Die Hard Movies do.
(Twice as impressive by your standards to, as they are shown on both in movie theaters, AND on the TV - a format you think qualifies as legit here, rendering DH double the win in your world)
I don't give a phuck what the format is. I doubt you do either. It's just that you are so desperate for a win that you are willing to apply bootom-of-the-barrel debating tactics.
Sorry. Only thing John's taking is a "McLoss" here 🙂 (And no aspirin either)
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Bauer wins by screenfeats?
'Except he doesn't for a lack of them.'
So I can accept this as concession that you are ignoring Bauer's feats 🙂
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Bauer isn't simply a small screen McClane imitation.
🙂
Which is why McClane had to move on from fake terrorists to real ones in DH4, like some kind of Bauer imitation or something 😆
No need to. The countering McArguments presented earlier sufficed plentifully.
Please do keep not knowing how to play the MVF game (IE Ignoring the rules...it may falsely give you hope in your own mind that a man who died three times due to a weak ticker is gonna have a chance against the unkillable McClane, a the most jammy bastard who ever lived, and who is skilled enough to kill everyone he faces, often in popcorntastic, thrilling, entertaining ways that keep putting asses on seats at the movie theater movie after movie..)
If ever a Bauer movie comes out it'll have to be called "Die Easy".. 🙂
Indeed. They did suffice. It was shown that Bauer will clearly manhandle McClane in eveyrhting, which is, of course, why you have went into "Feat-Ignoring" mode
None of that has anything to do with their actual screen feats.
And as far as durability goes, when did Bauer have to take a 15 minute time-out to whine to a fat cop?
And as far as "killing everyone they've encountered" is concerned, Bauer has a much higher killcount
Like I stated, just keep ignoring his feats 🙂. It is working wonders in making your argument believable 😂