Originally posted by Lestov16
Indeed. They did suffice. It was shown that Bauer will clearly manhandle McClane in eveyrhting, which is, of course, why you have went into "Feat-Ignoring" modeNone of that has anything to do with their actual screen feats.
And as far as durability goes, when did Bauer have to take a 15 minute time-out to whine to a fat cop?
And as far as "killing everyone they've encountered" is concerned, Bauer has a much higher killcount
Like I stated, just keep ignoring his feats 🙂. It is working wonders in making your argument believable 😂
Yet it wasn't. And look what happened to every other character who attempted to manhandle McClane. There IS a pattern you choose to ignore.
It does.
For that matter: When did McClane?
Not here, he doesnt.... and 192 hours of Mcclane proportionally would have killed higher. 🙂
My argument works wonders in making my argument believeable. Everything else is simply adherence to the specified rules, which you ignore.. We've seen this McButthurt before. That is what Kaz refers to...among other attributes.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Yet it wasn't. And look what happened to every other character who attempted to manhandle McClane. There IS a pattern you choose to ignore.
So if McClane kills scores of people, he's some uber-badass, but if Jack kills even more scores of people, all of a sudden those feats aren't applicable?
Clearly no bias here 😆
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
It does.
No, the viewing format doesn't matter towards anything
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
For that matter: When did McClane?
When Sgt. Can't-See-What-He's-Shooting-At gave his backstory...
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Not here, he doesnt.... and 192 hours of Mcclane proportionally would have killed higher. 🙂
Yes he does, becuase he's shown it onscreen. And that's pure speculation with no base to it. You may as well be saying that Mcclane can transform into a fire-breathing dragon made of ice cream
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
My argument works wonders in making my argument believeable. Everything else is simply adherence to the specified rules, which you ignore.. We've seen this McButthurt before. That is what Kaz refers to...among other attributes.
All I've done is post feats. You've ignored evidence
It's quite clear who is experiencing the biased "McButthurt" here 🙂
Originally posted by Lestov16
So if McClane kills scores of people, he's some uber-badass, but if Jack kills even more scores of people, all of a sudden those feats aren't applicable?Clearly no bias here 😆
Well...cause the rules say no TV series.
When you play chess, do you suddenly and randomly give you bishops Queen power, jus coz?
No, the viewing format doesn't matter towards anything
You say fifteen minutes which exaggerates the length by about 3 times.
When Sgt. Can't-See-What-He's-Shooting-At gave his backstory...
nope figures dont lie. McClane would have more kills in his 192 hrs than Bauer would, if given them...
Yes he does, becuase he's shown it onscreen. And that's pure speculation with no base to it. You may as well be saying that Mcclane can transform into a fire-breathing dragon made of ice cream
All I've done is post *TV SERIES* feats. You've ignored TV evidence
It's quite clear who is experiencing the biased "McButthurt" here 🙂
The cited feats are very generic of McClane but McClane beats Bauer..
Yes it is..and I would imagine that you're sitting on a rubber ring right now trying to sooth it..aren't you...
Okay. 5 minutes......nope. Still time that would have been wasted.
Really now? Cause in DVD Audio commentary for Die Hard with a Vengeance, screenwriter Johnathan Hensleigh stated that in the Die Hard formula, the plot over unfolds in 12 hours
Now if we take McClane's killcounts (except for DH4, which definitely took more than 12 hours (and in which he also killed the 2nd least amount of people (11) 😂 ))
Let's see:
Die Hard: 10
Die Hard 2: 24
Die Hard with a Venegenace: 13
Let's look at Jack
Day 6 (12 hours from 6:00 PM-6:00 AM): (and this isn't including his 7 kills before that): 43
Check your facts 😆
See that's really the thing though. I have checked my facts. I've even presented them. You won't check your facts. You don't know the evidence, yet you are still making the absurd claim that McClane is better than Bauer, based entirely on a bias.
But you accuse me of trolling....
Originally posted by Lestov16
So let's go over this one more time, for all you folks playing at home[B]1. H2H fight in a 12x12 ft steel cage ring
Based on screen featsJack Bauer H2H fight:
https://vimeo.com/43532127
14:00-14:50
25:15-25:30
44:27-46:05
47:20-47:50
51:48-53:22John McClane H2H fight
YouTube videoBauer will overpower Mcclane and snap his neck
H2H-Bauer
2. Gunfight in Palisades mall. Both get a Beretta with 10 clips
Once again, based on screen feats you can see in my vid (and Jack has a lot of them), he is definitely the more experienced gunfighterGunfight-Bauer
3. Melee fight in the Initech office building
Jack is a very ruthless fighter who will opportunistically use any advantage in a fightMelee fight- Bauer
4. Who is the better counterterrorist?
Of course
Contintential Pandemic>>>>>>>>Eastern Seabaord losing power (and 108 nuclear meltdowns>>>>>>ONE nuclear meltdown)Better Counterterrorist- Bauer
Any questions? 🙂 [/b]
Get back to me when you actually become aware of the evidence. until then, any opinion you have is biased and thus moot
Originally posted by Lestov16
Get back to me when you actually become aware of the evidence. until then, any opinion you have is biased and thus [b]moot [/B]
Biased? That's funny, seems someone else has some particular bias against McClane as evidenced by:
Jack Bauer vs John McClane
John McClane vs Air Force One
Jack Bauer Runs the Die Hard Gauntlet
"McClane Luck Factor"
Who started those threads I wonder? Whoever it is has McClane on the brain!
Yes indeed.
Originally posted by Lestov16
And again, prrrrrrrrrrrrovvve it 🙂You've already failed in the killcount argument. What else do you offer as defense?
Until then, Bauer wins 🙂
*If 192 hours were afforded to McClane, they'd have to have wrote in lots more deaths proportionally to sustain the series. This negates your rejection.
*McClane is unkillable, by valid take-em-to-the-bank MVF screenfeats, has never been tortured for 20 months, an hasn't died once.
*Engages and wins in warzones even with a crippling hangover.
Would most likely laugh as Bauers' liver explodes out of his anus, in a drinking competion.
*McClanes record of killing 14 people, one handed in a matter of seconds hasnt been rivalled, and the elevator scene shows what top boys fail to do at a close quarters ambush, having the drop on McClane.
* McClane has supernatural levels of endurance, intuition, luck, years of experience of finding and killing bad guys, and has a knack for being at "the wrong place, the wrong time" which as we know infact means "The right time and right place at which to show up and murder all badguys in the area".
* Made a deal with unseen forces that keep him from dying.
* Talent for facing any machine, (Building, Plane, Train, Elevator, Raptor Jets, SUVs, Crown Victorias, Multiple helicopters, Boats, explosives - anything, basically and destroy it, maim it, feed it it's own balls so when it poops, it gets shit all over it's balls
*Far funnier than Bauer, has lots of amusing quips to spit out readily at his enemies as he smites them.
*Featured in a long running season of movies going back to Frank Sinatra, where he was known as Officer Joe Leyland.
*managed not to get any family killed/poisoned.
*Is the original, vs Bauer's small screen imitation.
*Would definitely beat Bauer at "Who Poop Last", and Russian Roulette - as seen in 'The Deer Hunter '- where Bauer would almost certainly be playing Christopher Walken's part.
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Well kinda proved it all up and down this thread...but very well..
Well all of the evidence you just submitted was, of course, chump change in comparison to Bauer, who does the exact same thing but only much better than McClane wishes he could. When McClane stops Thermonuclear WWIII and kills 43 people in 12 hours, then he might be near Bauer's level. Maybe.
Until then, you've presented no screenfeats that prove otherwise nor any that Bauer can't easily replicate. Bauer's highest killcount of 43 people in 12 hours, compared to McClane's measly 24, proves this. So I'll just be waiting for you to actually bring some compelling evidence that helps your case.
Until then, Bauer wins 🙂
Originally posted by Lestov16
Damn. Guy can't make a thread about a movie character? 😆Yet I have a bias 😂
Of course you can (but no TV characters) but the pattern of constant '________ vs McClane' indicates spite/bias and it's fairly easy to detect.
The only other poster with a McClane vs thread atm is SSJVegeta and he hasn't been arguing vociferously about Bauer (and Bourne WTF?) owning McClane in threads that haven't even been about a direct confrontation. You have.
Originally posted by Lestov16
Well all of the evidence you just submitted was, of course, chump change in comparison to Bauer, who does the exact same thing but only much better than McClane wishes he could. When McClane stops Thermonuclear WWIII and kills 43 people in 12 hours, then he might be near Bauer's level. Maybe.Until then, you've presented no screenfeats that prove otherwise nor any that Bauer can't easily replicate. Bauer's highest killcount of 43 people in 12 hours, compared to McClane's measly 24, proves this. So I'll just be waiting for you to actually bring some compelling evidence that helps your case.
Until then, Bauer wins 🙂
Overall, You're quite wrong.
Mcclane wins again, adding yet more to your vast, vast piles of McButthurt.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
Of course you can (but no TV characters) but the pattern of constant '________ vs McClane' indicates spite/bias and it's fairly easy to detect.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
The only other poster with a McClane vs thread atm is SSJVegeta and he hasn't been arguing vociferously about Bauer
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
(and Bourne WTF?)
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
owning McClane in threads that haven't even been about a direct confrontation. You have.