Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Well still, if he's capable of tearing ships out of gravity wells unaided, why the need to calculatingly betray Kreia? What I mean to say is that shouldn't he be able to liquidate her utterly?
Because she wanted to destroy his food source.
And the Exile helped her destroy him later on.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Perhaps because Kreia is also a pretty damn powerful Sith Lord as well?
Nah, that can't be right.
But seriously, so it stands to reason that such telekinetic power is not, for whatever reason, decisive in a contest of Sith Lords. All it did was put her on her ass and she's only been shown using "vast telekinetic powers" on a dark side nexus to lift and coordinate three lightsabers.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Nah, that can't be right.
But seriously, so it stands to reason that such telekinetic power is not, for whatever reason, decisive in a contest of Sith Lords. All it did was put her on her ass and she's only been shown using "vast telekinetic powers" on a dark side nexus to lift and coordinate three lightsabers.
The fight telekinetically here is in Nihilus's favor - and rests with him.
At the time Nihilus and Sion confronted Kreia, they much knew she was toast at the time.
Nihilus gave her a little push and Sion Rapestomped her.
After all was said and done - they had actually underestimated her.
That's what led to Nihilus's downfall, when Kreia located a Force Wound that could bring him down.
I don't get what you're trying to say. TK can't be a decisive factor in a duel just because it wasn't there? Thats complete bullshit and utter lunacy. If Nihilus had wanted to do more then he could have, just like Sion could have snapped her frail old neck rather than beat the shit out of her. They weren't trying to kill her, they were breaking her. Remember that they had already drained her at that point, its not like she could have defended herself or that she did defend herself.
So in short you are full of shit there.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't get what you're trying to say. TK can't be a decisive factor in a duel just because it wasn't there? Thats complete bullshit and utter lunacy. If Nihilus had wanted to do more then he could have, just like Sion could have snapped her frail old neck rather than beat the shit out of her. They weren't trying to kill her, they were breaking her. Remember that they had already drained her at that point, its not like she could have defended herself or that she did defend herself.So in short you are full of shit there.
Ur mad bro
Why didn't Nihilus do it sooner? Why the need for a calculated betrayal?
Originally posted by Nephthys
I don't get what you're trying to say. TK can't be a decisive factor in a duel just because it wasn't there? Thats complete bullshit and utter lunacy. If Nihilus had wanted to do more then he could have, just like Sion could have snapped her frail old neck rather than beat the shit out of her.
They weren't trying to kill her, they were breaking her. Remember that they had already drained her at that point, its not like she could have defended herself or that she did defend herself.So in short you are full of shit there.
Precisely. Very true.
Originally posted by Nephthys
just like Sion could have snapped her frail old neck rather than beat the shit out of her.
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Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Ur mad bro
Why didn't Nihilus do it sooner? Why the need for a calculated betrayal?
Doesn't the sourcebook or whatever say taht he did it while she was still teaching him? If so then I guess because she still teaching him. Calculating it is just him being smart. Why have a fight when you can nuetralise her before the fight even begins?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Doesn't the sourcebook or whatever say taht he did it while she was still teaching him? If so then I guess because she still teaching him. Calculating it is just him being smart. Why have a fight when you can nuetralise her before the fight even begins?
Your spelling errors displease me. uhuh
What's the danger if Nihilus is so powerful?
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
You conceded that Nihilus was "the only thing" holding the ship together. It stands to reason then, that with his death, it should have destroyed itself.
To concede something, you have to actually put forth a counter-argument to mine that I admit is more correct than mine is. You didn't.
It was stationary in a weightless environment. It proceeded to blow up. There wasn't any time or necessary conditions for it to fall apart on its own.
Sounds pretty clever to me. You misread an implication, ran with it, and are clearly embarrassed to have reached a faulty conclusion.
Not particularly. And why would I be embarrassed? My argument is the stronger one (And, if you want to play this game, note that I never said that Nihilus beats Sidious or Luke. 😉 )
In other words, I don't have to support the idea that Sidious is a superior telekinetic to question or undermine Nihilus's feats.
No, but you do if you wish to provide relevance to this thread. To do otherwise is to drag the thread off-topic, making you look bad.
So you judge metaphysical effort by how many hand movements a guy makes?
Considering most feats of telekinesis in Star Wars are in fact accompanied by "hand movements", yes.
Provide evidence that Nihilus is expending any signifigant effort, because, if he is, we surely don't see it. He manages to do this feat while doing even greater feats at the same time.
Because it is rational to betray Sith Lords that one believes to be all powerful and ruthless?
He was convinced that after destroying Telos, Nihilus will destroy Onderon, and rebels upon realising that if he doesn't, he and everything else will die anyway.
Have you actually played the game?
Speculation? Well I'm glad you said it first.
Right, like what you are using to disprove Nihilus's... Well, everything really.
Your only truly legitimate point was that Malachor V is a Dark Side nexus.
Have you even proven he was?
4:45
"He holds it together. And he keeps us all alive, just enough, like rotworms in a rotting beast."
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
So he wants to toy with her but treats her as a legitimate threat by neutralizing her immediately? mmm
Sion was the one punching the shit out of her. Nihilus just pushed her once and then stood there twiddling his ghostly thumbs.
I really don't see what you hope to gain through this line of reasoning. What is even your point here?
Madbro
To concede something, you have to actually put forth a counter-argument to mine that I admit is more correct than mine is. You didn't.It was stationary in a weightless environment. It proceeded to blow up. There wasn't any time or necessary conditions for it to fall apart on its own.
So then clearly Nihilus's powers weren't the only thing at play affecting the ship, yes?
Madbro
Not particularly. And why would I be embarrassed?
I admire your lack of shame.
Madbro
My argument is the stronger one (And, if you want to play this game, note that I never said that Nihilus beats Sidious or Luke. wink )
I never claimed that you did. 😂
You're still losing the game, son. 😬
Madbro
No, but you do if you wish to provide relevance to this thread. To do otherwise is to drag the thread off-topic, making you look bad.
No. I don't have to endorse any particular side in order to contribute to the thread, in order to scrutinize your argument, and in order to question your sources. This is the critical mistake you made and I am pleased to contribute my infinite wisdom to your progression as a debater.
Madbro
Considering most feats of telekinesis in Star Wars are in fact accompanied by "hand movements", yes.Provide evidence that Nihilus is expending any signifigant effort, because, if he is, we surely don't see it. He manages to do this feat while doing even greater feats at the same time.
Doesn't Vader hurl objects across the room in TESB without hand movements? Can't remember, it's been so long since I've watched it.
Again, I don't need to provide any evidence that Nihilus was expending effort. I'm simply questioning, my son.
Madbro
He was convinced that after destroying Telos, Nihilus will destroy Onderon, and rebels upon realising that if he doesn't, he and everything else will die anyway.Have you actually played the game?
Pretty sudden change for one who regarded the Exile and company as grains on a beach compared to the infinite power that is Darth Nihilus. Are you sure he can be considered terribly rational?
Madbro
Right, like what you are using to disprove Nihilus's... Well, everything really.
I'm using it to question and needle, my son, not disprove.
Madbro
Your only truly legitimate point was that Malachor V is a Dark Side nexus.
Great point, wasn't it? Enormously clever, remember.
Madbro
4:45"He holds it together. And he keeps us all alive, just enough, like rotworms in a rotting beast."
We're already questioning Tobin's credibility. Why continue to use him?