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I don't believe it was said that he actually was borrowing from dark side nexus'. I thought it was just the general boost that a nexus gives all dark siders abilities.
That manifests in functional immortality? Kreia, who is probably more powerful than Sion, doesn't share such powers but instead receives an extraordinarily enhanced sense of precognition, which Sion is not known to share. The specificity and differentiation of the manifestations indicate something else at work beyond standard boosts.
We know from the situation with Vjun and the Works that the loss of life can create a dark side nexus. Given that Malachor V experienced a catastrophe that is, in some ways, completely unique (in that it generated two Force wounds) and witnessed a colossal loss of life {what was the body count?} and empowered Traya's precognition to extraordinary levels, it sounds like Malachor V is an unusually potent dark side nexus.
[quote]Battlemaster
He was taught Sith disciplines after he left Malachor.
me[/quote]
When I said canon source, I didn't mean you.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Why doesn't it collapse upon his death?
Probably because it was stationary and sort of blew the **** up a few minutes later.
I'm sorry, please don't try to argue against the feat in this fashion. I've heard this argument before. Just concede that Sidious's feats of telekinesis don't match up.
This is contextually unimpressive as EU!Sidious has mentally enthralled millions on Coruscant, billions on Byss, and the "tens of trillions" of Imperial fleet personnel.
And he did that while holding together a kilo+ long flagship did he at all times and without effort?
And he did this while starved and weakened, like Nihilus did, did he? And then was further weakened and drained from trying to eat the Exile? As well as a possible third draining via Visas either killing herself or disrupting Nihilus's power over the Force?
Oh, and don't forget, he can do all of the above, and still has enough energy to eat the occasional planet.
No but let's be real: Nihilus's telekinesis is better by feats, unless I can't recall something of Sidious's (Which hey, could be the case).
Nihilus's highest telekinetic showing comes from being empowered on a dark side nexus {Malachor V}.
And is leagues more impressive than Sidious's TK showings. Also, let's be real: Tobin outright tells us that it was his fleet, not just the flagship, that was pulled. And the "fallible third party character" argument falls apart because there is frankly no basis to claim Tobin was lying or mistaken about it. Why would he be? Do you think Nihilus lied to Tobin to make himself sound more powerful?
His manipulation of The Ravager has not, to my knowledge, been conclusively proven.
It was stated several times that the ship should fall apart, and only Nihilus's will holds it together.
Stop downplaying to substitute for your lack of an argument.
His highest canonical showing of telekinesis was putting Kreia on her ass when he overthrew her with Sion's aid.Ha, no, it really wasn't.
[quote]Nemebro
Probably because it was stationary and sort of blew the **** up a few minutes later.I'm sorry, please don't try to argue against the feat in this fashion. I've heard this argument before.
Nemebro[/quote]
It was stated several times that the ship should fall apart, and [b]only Nihilus's will holds it together.[/b]
Speaking of ships falling apart, do you know what's better than sinking your opponent's battleship? Having your opponent scuttle it for you. 😂
Nemebro
Just concede that Sidious's feats of telekinesis don't match up.
You'll find that I never claimed Sidious was the superior telekinetic, so I needn't concede anything. I'm enormously clever that way.
Nemebro
And he did that while holding together a kilo+ long flagship did he at all times and without effort?
Proof he did so without effort?
Nemebro
And he did this while starved and weakened, like Nihilus did, did he? And then was further weakened and drained from trying to eat the Exile? As well as a possible third draining via Visas either killing herself or disrupting Nihilus's power over the Force?Oh, and don't forget, he can do all of the above, and still has enough energy to eat the occasional planet.
I was merely pointing out that Sidious is the vastly superior telepath. U mad, bro?
Nemebro
No but let's be real: Nihilus's telekinesis is better by feats, unless I can't recall something of Sidious's (Which hey, could be the case).
Nemebro
And is leagues more impressive than Sidious's TK showings.
me
You'll find that I never claimed Sidious was the superior telekinetic, so I needn't concede anything. I'm enormously clever that way.
Nemebro
Also, let's be real: Tobin outright tells us that it was his fleet, not just the flagship, that was pulled. And the "fallible third party character" argument falls apart because there is frankly no basis to claim Tobin was lying or mistaken about it. Why would he be? Do you think Nihilus lied to Tobin to make himself sound more powerful?
Tobin was a non-Force sensitive whose mind was deteriorating under Nihilus's influence. Hardly a reasonable authority on the matter. More importantly, why would Nihilus tell Tobin that he tore the fleet to begin with? Negotiating for Tobin's allegiance? Trying to impress his grunts?
Nemebro
Ha, no, it really wasn't.
Unaided? Yes, yes it was.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
Tobin was a non-Force sensitive whose mind was deteriorating under Nihilus's influence. Hardly a reasonable authority on the matter. More importantly, why would Nihilus tell Tobin that he tore the fleet to begin with? Negotiating for Tobin's allegiance? Trying to impress his grunts?
Well they did have a Force Bond.
Originally posted by crisis_ryitua
[B]Speaking of ships falling apart, do you know what's better than sinking your opponent's battleship? Having your opponent scuttle it for you. 😂
Fail to see the relevance.
You'll find that I never claimed Sidious was the superior telekinetic, so I needn't concede anything. I'm enormously clever that way.
No, merely disingenuous, needing to distract your opponent by going on tangents even if you don't believe them because you don't have much of an argument.
Proof he did so without effort?
He does it while fighting, draining planets, or just sort of villainously staring into space, without so much as a gesture.
Are you serious?
I was merely pointing out that Sidious is the vastly superior telepath. U mad, bro?
Not particularly.
Tobin was a non-Force sensitive whose mind was deteriorating under Nihilus's influence.
Yet still rational and sane enough to be convinced to betray Nihilus by the Exile. Interesting.
Hardly a reasonable authority on the matter. More importantly, why would Nihilus tell Tobin that he tore the fleet to begin with? Negotiating for Tobin's allegiance? Trying to impress his grunts?
Nihilus's mind is inherently connected to Tobin's by now. It is possible that he saw it through Nihilus's eyes, having visions of what his master has done. Granted, this is speculation, admittedly we don't know exactly how Tobin knows of it, just that he does (And what he says is supported by the omniscient loading screen).
Unaided? Yes, yes it was.Oh so he has help holding his ship together?
Interesting.
NemeBro
Fail to see the relevance.
You conceded that Nihilus was "the only thing" holding the ship together. It stands to reason then, that with his death, it should have destroyed itself.
NemeBro
No, merely disingenuous, needing to distract your opponent by going on tangents even if you don't believe them because you don't have much of an argument.
Sounds pretty clever to me. You misread an implication, ran with it, and are clearly embarrassed to have reached a faulty conclusion.
In other words, I don't have to support the idea that Sidious is a superior telekinetic to question or undermine Nihilus's feats.
NemeBro
He does it while fighting, draining planets, or just sort of villainously staring into space, without so much as a gesture.
So you judge metaphysical effort by how many hand movements a guy makes?
[QUOTE]NemeBro
Are you serious?
NemeBro[/quote]
Not particularly.
NemeBro
Yet still rational and sane enough to be convinced to betray Nihilus by the Exile. Interesting.
Because it is rational to betray Sith Lords that one believes to be all powerful and ruthless?
NemeBro
Nihilus's mind is inherently connected to Tobin's by now. It is possible that he saw it through Nihilus's eyes, having visions of what his master has done. Granted, this is speculation, admittedly we don't know exactly how Tobin knows of it, just that he does (And what he says is supported by the omniscient loading screen).
Speculation? Well I'm glad you said it first.
NemeBro
Oh so he has help holding his ship together?
Have you even proven he was?
Originally posted by crisis_ryituaOkay: Why?
As we know from the KotOR Campaign Guide, Nihilus is a "calculating" creature. It seems to me that he could have used the Force Bond to deceive Tobin about the extent of his telekinetic powers in order to further break his will.
Why do that?
Tobin isn't particularly competent mentally or physically. He has no real influence, and apparently only is vaguely aware of the presence of non-Force sensitives.
Why go through that effort to convince him of anything?
Originally posted by Nephthys
Why would he give a shit? Tobin is just some loser hanging out on his ship at that point.
Some loser? Well, I'm glad you said it first.
On a quasi-relevant note, why would Nihilus need to orchestrate a "calculating double cross" against Kreia with Sion's help if he's so powerful? Didn't he leave Malachor V before beginning his training with her?