Originally posted by carver9
I didn't destroy my argument at all...Frieza surviving being cut in half is impressive but that doesn't mean his physique had anything to do with him tanking a planetary blast. Goku had a hole blown completely through his chest by Picollo and was still capable of fighting and beating him. Again, he had a hole in his freaking chest. Picollo has been broken into pieces which included him being broken in half...can he survive Planetary explosions as well? You don't have any proof of this. Your argument is flawed and there are plenty of character that has done things with damaged bodies.
He was missing half his ****ing skull.
Honestly, I have no particular desire to search through the entire manga to find where this shit was stated, but here's wiki. It's all you deserve.
http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Frieza#Power_level
The planet explosion isn't what killed them since again, they die before the planet is even gone, its the power source the blast is coming from since we know Cell does have the power to kill Goku. We also know that Picollo, Goku, Vegeta, etc...became far more powerful and durable than Frieze, someone who withstood planetary destruction. That alone is proof that Z fighters>a planet's destruction.
A blast could be 50 times large enough to destroy Jupiter (Like Kid Buu's, aka the most destructive blast we've ever seen in the series), and would still only be planet busting.
Grasp your head around the idea that not all planets are created equal.
I don't see anything that makes Thanos stronger or more powerful than Goku at Super Saiyan 1 levels. At Super Saiyan 2...he dies.That's because you're an idiot.
Maybe because it doesn't take a planetary blast to finish Freeza off. He was cut in half by his own attack and was cut to pieces by a man made weapon. It doesn't take a planet destroying blast to kill a DBZ character basically, unless you think them getting punch and kick have no effect on them what so ever.
I just want to add that no one in DBZ has ever fully tanked a real planet killing attack. Not Cell, not Buu, not Vegeta, not Piccolo, etc. Frieza is the only one that came close. He deflected Vegeta's planet killer with a single hard kick. But, he didn't shrug of the hit like carvers implying DBZ characters can. The Final Flash and Super Kamehameha would have killed Perfect Cell had it not been for his regenerative abilities, the same goes for Buu. Didn't matter how many times stronger than Frieza they were.
Also, their not even casual planet killers either. Since only their strongest attacks can eradicate worlds. [Super Kamehameha, Final Flash, Vanishing ball, and Death ball].
You all are just not getting it. Let me start from Nemebro post. In the scan you presented, it states that King Kole thought of a planet destruction as measly and it shouldn't destroy someone as POWERFUL as Frieza. Nowhere in your lame scan does it say it have anything to do with his physique or Piccolo would be able to tank them as well. Frieza DURABILITY came into play. Being sliced up, holes blasted in you, etc...isn't something new or something that started with Frieza...that has always been. Goku was more durable than Frieza and hit with the right amount of force (in which he did because a blast from Goku took his face off), Frieza can blow up just like any character could WHICH WAS SHOWN ON PANEL, when Trunk blew his body into small dust which means Trunks blast was more than a mere planets destruction.
This is a FALSE internet myth and like I said before, Goku durability>>>>>Frieza and a mere planetary blast isn't stopping Goku (key word, mere).
Originally posted by dvampire
Maybe because it doesn't take a planetary blast to finish Freeza off. He was cut in half by his own attack and was cut to pieces by a man made weapon. It doesn't take a planet destroying blast to kill a DBZ character basically, unless you think them getting punch and kick have no effect on them what so ever.
Where did you get the idea that Trunks sword was man made? Frieza ALREADY survived a planetary blast WHILE INJURED. It takes much more than a planetary blast to stop a DBZ character.
Originally posted by carver9
You all clearly need to understand what "average" showings means. Learn it.
C'mon carver.
You can find the same averages all across the board for Goku, Superman, Thor, Hulk, etc. That on average they're pummeled by punches. The thing is that the characters that can dish out the kind of punches which hurt all of the above characters have super strength as part of their base power set. Furthermore, on average when compared to anyone from DBZ. This super strength is several orders of magnitude higher.
Originally posted by Classic NES
C'mon carver.You can find the same averages all across the board for Goku, Superman, Thor, Hulk, etc. That on average they're pummeled by punches. The thing is that the characters that can dish out the kind of punches which hurt all of the above characters have super strength as part of their base power set. Furthermore, on average when compared to anyone from DBZ. This super strength is several orders of magnitude higher.
It really isn't unless you base things off of lifting fts. Goku being able to punch a hole in Frieza is several orders of magnitudes above anyone here.
Wouldnt 'average' feats be the level of power the demonstrate on, well, average?
'cause that would drastically weaken DB to HST levels. [3 Planet busting feats with all the other feats, the ones they regularly take and get hurt from, being much, much... much lower than that. The average wouldnt be that minority of 3]
Originally posted by carver9
It really isn't unless you base things off of lifting fts. Goku being able to punch a hole in Frieza is several orders of magnitudes above anyone here.
Better striking feats, really carver? You're impressed with Goku sending Frieza flying with a drop kick into two islands. But, when Thor in Thor#388, shook the planet Pangoria without even hitting the surface of the planet (the Celestial Exitar took the hit). What this mean is: that you can drop a dozen Hydrogen Bombs in one single place, or point, and that still wouldn't shake a whole planet. You say Goku is better.
When Goku punches a whole in Frieza you jump for joy. But when Superman cracks the moon with a single punch during president Luthor story arc. It's considered less impressive?
Or how about when Hulk's footsteps were destroying the eastern seaboard?
Or when Hulk punching Iron clad created shock waves that can be felt in countless dimensions? IH #305
Or when Superboy prime can punch through reality?
You still proclaim DBZ has better striking feats? Really carver?
Originally posted by BloodRain
Wouldnt 'average' feats be the level of power the demonstrate on, well, average?'cause that would drastically weaken DB to HST levels. [3 Planet busting feats with all the other feats, the ones they regularly take and get hurt from, being much, much... much lower than that. The average wouldnt be that minority of 3]
I explained that to carver earlier here:
Originally posted by Classic NES
I just want to add that no one in DBZ has ever fully tanked a real planet killing attack. Not Cell, not Buu, not Vegeta, not Piccolo, etc. Frieza is the only one that came close. He deflected Vegeta's planet killer with a single hard kick. But, he didn't shrug of the hit like carvers implying DBZ characters can. The Final Flash and Super Kamehameha would have killed Perfect Cell had it not been for his regenerative abilities, the same goes for Buu. Didn't matter how many times stronger than Frieza they were.Also, their not even casual planet killers either. Since only their strongest attacks can eradicate worlds. [Super Kamehameha, Final Flash, Vanishing ball, and Death ball].
Can Goku actually pin Thanos down? They are several leagues apart in strength and just won't be a full out energy blast battle. They have to meet face to face eventually, Thanos can win in h2h combat. He's too durable compared to Goku's strength, and can put Goku out by just a few punches if he hits him. Speed counts, but it's not the deciding factor in a fight.
@Classic NES...
Thor was amped with the belt when he did that.
Superman flew through the moon to achieve that ft which is well within a DBZ character range. Flying into a moon and going through it isn't as impressive as you are trying to make it.
Hulk is by far one of the strongest beings in comics. Goku would still stomp him and has the strength to rock anyone here. Goku punching power is insane.
I never said Goku have the best punching power in comics because he doesn't but I have yet to see proof of anyone providing me with scans of any type of destructive force matching what the weakest of DBZ have shown. Marvel and DC hero's can fight in a populated area with no trouble,
DBZ characters can't do this without destroying a city with the slightest of punches.
Originally posted by Bentley
Flying through the moon might not seem impressive... But none of the DB cast can actually replicate the feat without being incapacitated -barring regen-.
So you are basically saying that Master Roshi can take out Frieza with his moon busting attacking? Instead of sending Goku to Namek, they should've sent Master Roshi instead? WTF. Moon busting don't mean a thing to DBZ characters. Just because Superman got koed by a moon busting attack doesn't mean that people like Goku or Frieza can't tank them.