Originally posted by Kid Kurdydid he really???
Iron Fist already admitted he could never beat Spider-Man.
Also, Red Sabre, I think brute strength and movement speed are being intertwined with combat speed and striking power. In a fight striking power and combat speed should matter more than the former two. In a footrace, I believe spiderman would win, however, in terms of combat speed, Ironfist seems equal, if not superior. The spiderman speed feats you posted are great, but none of them put him above Ironfist. Everyone in this fight makes a habit of easily dodging machine gun fire and disappearing before humans (with the exception of Cage). Spiderman speed blitzing super humans would be impressive if those super humans were known for their speed, and the heroes you showed him speed blitzing are not. Do you have the scan or issue number of Spiderman catching a bullet? That would show he's equal to spiderman in terms of combat speed.
Originally posted by Trackz
did he really???Also, Red Sabre, I think brute strength and movement speed are being intertwined with combat speed and striking power. In a fight striking power and combat speed should matter more than the former two. In a footrace, I believe spiderman would win, however, in terms of combat speed, Ironfist seems equal, if not superior. The spiderman speed feats you posted are great, but none of them put him above Ironfist. Everyone in this fight makes a habit of easily dodging machine gun fire and disappearing before humans (with the exception of Cage). Spiderman speed blitzing super humans would be impressive if those super humans were known for their speed, and the heroes you showed him speed blitzing are not. Do you have the scan or issue number of Spiderman catching a bullet? That would show he's equal to spiderman in terms of combat speed.
brute strength is also important because that means spider-man can just smash his head and tearm him apart limb by limb or in half
movement speed is part of combat speed as the fighting itself is the speed of movement, it seems you got confuced with the well known KMC debate of "flight speed does not equel fight speed" , movement speed however is a total different thing and is relevant to this because movement speed IS fighting speed, so in that case you want to tell me that iron fist can beat quicksilver or flash just because they move fast? are you serious?
as for the feats i posted it clearly shows you spider-man blitzing people like thor and multiple heroes at the same time, he doesnt need to speedblitz super speedsters just to prove he is faster than iron fist, what are the speed feats of iron fist? what speed feats put him above the averege street? iron fist IS the averege street aside of that iron fist of his
Originally posted by red sabreIf you think Spiderman is way faster than Danny you have no idea what you're talking about, there's really no way around that.
iron fist taking out a hellicarrier with his iron fist or a train is not strength feats its his striking feats, if you believe he can match his physical strength with spidy better bring on some feats, as for his striking power as i stated doesnt really matter because both guys can take out the other with a good placed punchwhile iron fist is the more skilled spider-man is indeed the faster and more agile one, shang chi himself when recieving spider-man powers admited it made him faster more agile and stronger, danny while being a fast martial artist doesnt come any where near spider-man in tearms of speed, i posted the scans above showing spidy basically speeblitzing heroes left and right, speedblitz thor, being so fast human ene cant follow him, there is a feat of him supressing speed demon in reaction time, there is no argument that spider-man is way above danny in speed reflex and agility
Originally posted by Kid KurdyIf he did say that it wasn't current IF.
Iron Fist already admitted he could never beat Spider-Man.
Originally posted by red sabreRidiculous.
iron fist is not touching spider-man unless spidy lets him due to spider sense and super huamn speed & reflexwithout the iron fist he got schooled by wolverine more recently
They have already fought when IF was weaker, guess what, he touched him.
Wolverine didn't school IF, it was a sparring match, it's not like he got stabbed in the chest.
Originally posted by Mindset
If you think Spiderman is way faster than Danny you have no idea what you're talking about, there's really no way around that. If he did say that it wasn't current IF.
I think this is the sixth time I posted this scan.. Yet I get the feeling no one actually looks at it. 🙁
http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/8850/ironfistdeflection.jpg
Yeah, that's nothing any street can't do. 🙄
It's not like flechettes move as fast, or in some cases faster, than a bullet, or that we're talking some 50 rounds of automatic fire, or that he's standing right in Danny's face. Not an impressive speed feat in the least.
Originally posted by Mindset
If you think Spiderman is way faster than Danny you have no idea what you're talking about, there's really no way around that.
maybe not way faster but faster indeed judging by feats and states, shang chi who is easily iron fist equel in tearms of speed and agility when got spider-man powers was amazed at how much faster and stronger he became
Originally posted by Mindset
Ridiculous.They have already fought when IF was weaker, guess what, he touched him.
Wolverine didn't school IF, it was a sparring match, it's not like he got stabbed in the chest.
everybody touched spidy when they fought him its PIS and CIS, when spider-man do decide to use his speed actually he ends up blitzing his opponents easily and dodge anything due to his spider sense
Originally posted by Mindset
Judging by feats he is barely faster if at all.Shang isn't Danny's equal in terms of speed or agility.
when was the last time danny speedblitzed multiple heroes with ms marvel in the team? or speedblitzed thor? or avoided a bullet at point blank after it was shot straight into him?
you are right they are not because shang is actually more agile than iron fist, in the speed department they are equel, here i will use your own logic and state when they fought they were equel in speed
Originally posted by Mindset
OK, so you don't read Spiderman or Iron Fist comics.You didn't even take the time to look through his respect thread.
i did both reading and looking the respect thread and when comparing the feats its obvious spider-man is stronger faster more durable more agile got the better reflex and of course spider sense will make him beat the crap out of iron fist or any other street
Originally posted by cdtmThere you go.
and that proves what exactly? spider-man was dancing between machine gun bullets fired at him by 50 man, spider-man was able to move as the bullet was fired right away, are you joking? i love it when people just post some random feat and think it will just do the job
and by the way what are those things he is shooting at iron fist? how fast do they travel? can you provide evidence to that traveling as fast as a bullet?
Originally posted by red sabre
and that proves what exactly? spider-man was dancing between machine gun bullets fired at him by 50 man, spider-man was able to move as the bullet was fired right away, are you joking? i love it when people just post some random feat and think it will just do the job
Try reading the caption, instead of just looking at the pictures.
Danny didn't dodge them, he slapped them them away without taking a scratch. That's as good as Spidey's feat you mentioned, easily.
