Blade & Spider-Man vs. Luke Cage & Iron Fist

Originally posted by red sabre
you cant compare real life logic and the comics character iron fist who is a street with athletic strength level but is able to deliver train destryoing punch because of chi amp Lol

brute strength matters alot because at any point spider-man can grab his arm and rip it off or just rip him in half or throw cars at him, so many things can be done that strength alone is indeed a factor here

movement speed IS fighting speed, why are you using running? did i mention running at any point? i reffered to movement speed as the overall body movement speed and this is what fighting speed is all about, its about how fast you can move your entire body and body parts to the point you gain the upper hand in speed, by your logic he can outfight quicksilver and flash just because they can move fast but not fight fast? you know how dumb that sounds?

i said that spider - man doesnt need to speedblitz speedsters because iron fist is not a speedster, what feats can you show me that present iron fist as a speedster? i showed you spider-man speedblitz a group of heroes with miss marvel being one of them, its very safe to say that miss marvel alone is faster than iron fist , i presented spider-man speedblitz thor who is once again easily can match or supress iron fist by speed judging by showins, so basically i present on panel feats of spider-man being the superior and all you do is say no he isnt? 🙄

and by the way i dont have the scan but spider-man actually was able to outfight speed demon while speed demon was running at him full speed

there is no question that spider-man is stronger, more durable, faster, more agile, can kill iron fist with an all out strike, and has spider sense to avoid iron fist all night long, i presented a scan where spider-man is actually being faster than a bullet by movement speed, being faster than a bullet does not equel avoid bullets because he actually stood still at point blank and when the bullet was shot he was able to get out of the way by entire body movement and not just by hand movement, so for starters present me a feat showing iron fist being superior to bullet speed by body movement and not just avoid bullets

well for one, I think it's important to remember the combatants are still in character. Spiderman won't be ripping anyone's arm off unless otherwise stated.

I think we had a miscommunication, I thought you meant running speed when you said movement speed. I also never said Spiderman wasn't incredibly fast, not faster than Ironfist though. There have already been a couple of speed feats posted, like the one where Ironfist slaps the fletchettes out of the air. Also there was already a scan posted of Ironfist being faster than a bullet by your definition of movement speed, he catches a bullet.

Originally posted by Trackz
well for one, I think it's important to remember the combatants are still in character. Spiderman won't be ripping anyone's arm off unless otherwise stated.

I think we had a miscommunication, I thought you meant running speed when you said movement speed. I also never said Spiderman wasn't incredibly fast, not faster than Ironfist though. There have already been a couple of speed feats posted, like the one where Ironfist slaps the fletchettes out of the air. Also there was already a scan posted of Ironfist being faster than a bullet by your definition of movement speed, he catches a bullet.

Speed and agility are two different things. Ironfist may be as fast as Spiderman or even a bit faster in certain areas, but Spidey has him beat in the agility dept. he also has his spider sense, webbing, ability to stick to nearly any surface and is generally stronger than Danny in terms of lifting feats. Spiderman has the reach advantage as well, and although Danny may be able to grab a strand of webbing, he's simply not going to be able to grab bursts of it, and would be entangled, and turned into a punching bag by enough webbing that would be able to hold the Thing.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Since I'm way behind in spider-man how does current Parker stack up here? I'm assuming he's way better then he used to be judging from his armor and kung fu training.

Originally posted by red sabre

Originally posted by Trackz
well for one, I think it's important to remember the combatants are still in character. Spiderman won't be ripping anyone's arm off unless otherwise stated.

I think we had a miscommunication, I thought you meant running speed when you said movement speed. I also never said Spiderman wasn't incredibly fast, not faster than Ironfist though. There have already been a couple of speed feats posted, like the one where Ironfist slaps the fletchettes out of the air. Also there was already a scan posted of Ironfist being faster than a bullet by your definition of movement speed, he catches a bullet.

spider man still can break the arms and legs or swing iron fist far far away making it a good bfr that might as well accidentely kill iron fist, he can just take some metal pipe and wrap iron fist with it, many ways for spidy to use his strength alone

when i am saying speed i mean the overall movement speed, feats say spider man is faster than IF, can you show me feats of iron fist speedblitzing someone? or a group of people? or a group of super humans that all got super human speed to some level like miss marvel?

the feat with iron fist snaping those fingernails out of the air? prove they were fletchettes and not fingernails ( just for the laughs), then prove it was indeed traveling same speed as a bullet because different mechanism can fire fletchettes at different speeds

catching a bullet isnt as impresive as avoiding a bullet after it was shot at point blank, as i explained before a good eye hand cordination along with swift hands allow real life people to catch painball bullets and rubber bullets, thats also due to the fact they know when the bullet will be fired out and they time everything correctly, on the other hand if the bullet is already shot at you at point blank and you manage to avoid the bullet with your whole body by getting away and not only did spider man got away by that time he was already near the person who shot the bullet, you cant compare 1 to another spider-man is indeed superior

Originally posted by SamZED
Spider-man is actually powerless on this scan. Not bad eh?

yeah i know, i cant believe people claim streets are faster than him

Originally posted by red sabre
yeah i know, i cant believe people claim streets are faster than him

Originally posted by red sabre

catching a bullet isnt as impresive as avoiding a bullet after it was shot at point blank

No, dodging a bullet, even at point blank range, is in no way more impressive than actually catching one.

Or do you think Batgirl is faster than Spidey?

All four guns were fired in close succession (You can see a few bullets in mid flight, proving she had to step between at least two bullets racing neck and neck), which would leave no time to sidestep unless you're as fast as a bullet.

And she sidestepped all four of them

Originally posted by SamZED
Doesn't have that many feats since he recieved the training but the ones he has are very impressive. He won a sparring mach with Shang relying solely on kung fu skills. He knows pressurepoint attacks, learnt some killing attacks. He blitzed a number of supervillains who all had spider powers, speedblitzed an amped Kain twice. His spider sense now works in harmony with his kung fu training, directing his attacks. Wouldn't go as far as to say he's on a whole new level now, but if Slott keeps this up this might very well happen.

And his armor I noticed he's wearing? Where does that put his durability at?

Originally posted by red sabre
spider man still can break the arms and legs or swing iron fist far far away making it a good bfr that might as well accidentely kill iron fist, he can just take some metal pipe and wrap iron fist with it, many ways for spidy to use his strength alone

when i am saying speed i mean the overall movement speed, feats say spider man is faster than IF, can you show me feats of iron fist speedblitzing someone? or a group of people? or a group of super humans that all got super human speed to some level like miss marvel?

the feat with iron fist snaping those fingernails out of the air? prove they were fletchettes and not fingernails ( just for the laughs), then prove it was indeed traveling same speed as a bullet because different mechanism can fire fletchettes at different speeds

catching a bullet isnt as impresive as avoiding a bullet after it was shot at point blank, as i explained before a good eye hand cordination along with swift hands allow real life people to catch painball bullets and rubber bullets, thats also due to the fact they know when the bullet will be fired out and they time everything correctly, on the other hand if the bullet is already shot at you at point blank and you manage to avoid the bullet with your whole body by getting away and not only did spider man got away by that time he was already near the person who shot the bullet, you cant compare 1 to another spider-man is indeed superior

It seems now that you're underestimating IronFist.

As for the feats you're asking for, they're all in the respect thread. He's taken out groups of martial artists before they can react, he's taken out a guy with super speed in hand-to-hand combat, and he's done well against the x-men. All of this by using a combination of his speed and skill.

I can't believe you're comparing catching a paint ball to a real bullet...regular people can dodge paintballs if there's a large enough distance, people with no type of training. Regardless, your example has no relation whatsoever to the scan of Ironfist catching the bullets because he didn't know when the sniper was going to shoot. If you want to say you can't compare the two feats, fine. But Ironfists feat is just as impressive, if not more.

Anyway, I bumped an ironfist vs. spiderman thread so this can be debated at length.

I still maintain that team 2 would win because they are a better team, Blade and Spiderman end up arguing or fighting most of the time they team up.

Originally posted by cdtm
No, dodging a bullet, even at point blank range, is in no way more impressive than actually catching one.

Or do you think Batgirl is faster than Spidey?

All four guns were fired in close succession (You can see a few bullets in mid flight, proving she had to step between at least two bullets racing neck and neck), which would leave no time to sidestep unless you're as fast as a bullet.

And she sidestepped all four of them

first of all if you claim she did the same thing as spider man how can she be faster? thats already dumb

next stop we got the fact she looked at them saw where the gun is directed to and simply slightly steped away from the fire direction, that tactic was discussed here countles times, the difference between steping out of the way the gun is shooting and actually outspeed a bullet, in both cases of iron fist and batgirl they were looking at the fire source saw the direction and were prepared, iron man just moved his hand and the girl just lean to the side.

the feat i presented shows a guy sticking his gun into spider man and yet spider man avoiding the gunshot while the gun is sticked into him thats way above someone lean to the side out of the gun direction

now spider-man on the other hand first of all in 3 different cases was able to avoid the bullet after the bullet was show and he noticed it while the bullet was already flying towards him, and even the feat i posted previously still is more impressive since not only he got away with his full body and not by leaning to the side but he also was next to the attacker as the bullet hit the wall

lastly if you want to argue a character speed specially if the purpose is a debate on who will beat who, you have to use fighting speed because the bullets in comics universe are the biggest jobbers ever, juns bullets and whats not always were the biggest canon fodder in comics, i posted feats of spider man speedblitzing thor and speedblitzing a group of super heroes with miss marvel one of them who is a legit super speedster to some degree, care to present me iron fist speedblitzing anyone with super human speed?

Originally posted by Trackz
It seems now that you're underestimating IronFist.

As for the feats you're asking for, they're all in the respect thread. He's taken out groups of martial artists before they can react, he's taken out a guy with super speed in hand-to-hand combat, and he's done well against the x-men. All of this by using a combination of his speed and skill.

I can't believe you're comparing catching a paint ball to a real bullet...regular people can dodge paintballs if there's a large enough distance, people with no type of training. Regardless, your example has no relation whatsoever to the scan of Ironfist catching the bullets because he didn't know when the sniper was going to shoot. If you want to say you can't compare the two feats, fine. But Ironfists feat is just as impressive, if not more.

Anyway, I bumped an ironfist vs. spiderman thread so this can be debated at length.

I still maintain that team 2 would win because they are a better team, Blade and Spiderman end up arguing or fighting most of the time they team up.

no no no, dont give me the "go to the respect thread" getaway, i could also tell you to go to the respect thread and see spider man abilities however i searched the feats and presented them for you, you can at least do the same thing.

i asked you a simple thing, show me iron fist speedblitzing someone with super human speed to the point the person didnt even react to him, and even then it wont be enough because spider man was able to speedblitz a group of heroes with miss marvel being one of them , then he speeblitzed a group of guys that had spider powers as well, then we got spider man being faster than speed demon and counter his full speed running, you see i presented spider man speedblitzing legit super humans by the speed department and even speedsters, now show me iron fist

stay on the subject, by point is that regular people with slight training are able to do stuff like that with the right hand eye cordination, do we know at what speed those fingarnails ( i keep calling them that way since you cant prove me what they were) were traveling? until you can prove at what speed they were traveling i am safe to say they were slower than bullets because they were fired from some unkown mechanism which can be slower, i just presented you a feat where someone stick a gun into spider man actually sticking the gun into his body and yet spider man avoid that, and as i said before if you want to compare speed lets use fighting because bullets are just the biggest jobbers out there

Originally posted by red sabre
no no no, dont give me the "go to the respect thread" getaway, i could also tell you to go to the respect thread and see spider man abilities however i searched the feats and presented them for you, you can at least do the same thing.

i asked you a simple thing, show me iron fist speedblitzing someone with super human speed to the point the person didnt even react to him, and even then it wont be enough because spider man was able to speedblitz a group of heroes with miss marvel being one of them , then he speeblitzed a group of guys that had spider powers as well, then we got spider man being faster than speed demon and counter his full speed running, you see i presented spider man speedblitzing legit super humans by the speed department and even speedsters, now show me iron fist

stay on the subject, by point is that regular people with slight training are able to do stuff like that with the right hand eye cordination, do we know at what speed those fingarnails ( i keep calling them that way since you cant prove me what they were) were traveling? until you can prove at what speed they were traveling i am safe to say they were slower than bullets because they were fired from some unkown mechanism which can be slower, i just presented you a feat where someone stick a gun into spider man actually sticking the gun into his body and yet spider man avoid that, and as i said before if you want to compare speed lets use fighting because bullets are just the biggest jobbers out there

I admit, I may have been wrong in my statement that spiderman could do nothing against iron fist. I still encourage you to check out the ironfist respect thread, it's well organized and you can find all the feats you're asking for easily.

I want to move away from Spiderman vs. Ironfist for a bit, since that's more of a one-on-one, and draw the discussion back to the topic. What's your opinion on how Blade/Spiderman will work as a team as compared to the Heroes for Hire?

Bump

team cage and danny ftw

Team 2 but Spidey beats the shit out of Rand.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Team 2 but Spidey beats the shit out of Rand.

Originally posted by deathslash
hysterical You almost sounded serious about that.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Yup, I am. Whaddya going to do about it?

Originally posted by deathslash
tell me the time and place and we can settle this once and for all.

Can I watch?