Blade & Spider-Man vs. Luke Cage & Iron Fist

Originally posted by red sabre

and by the way what are those things he is shooting at iron fist? how fast do they travel? can you provide evidence to that traveling as fast as a bullet?

Just because you know nothing of ballistics, doesn't invalidate the feat..

Flechettes muzzle velocity is as fast, or faster, than a bullet, as they're much lighter weight. But they cause less tissue damage and aren't as accurate as bullets, which is why they aren't in wide use.

The fact they're not a lump of metal, and have pointed tips on them and fins on the side, makes this MORE impressive than the same feat done with bullets, as this was done without a scratch on Danny's unprotected hands.

and to top all that i am claiming that spier man dancing between machine gun fire is a better feat than the one you presented, wana know why? the spider-man feat actually proves he is that fast by overall body movement which is a good indication to fighting speed which matters in a fight, the iron fist feat shows only hand movement speed but that doesnt mean his overall body movement is something special

Originally posted by cdtm
Just because you know nothing of ballistics, doesn't invalidate the feat..

Flechettes muzzle velocity is as fast, or faster, than a bullet. But they cause less tissue damage and aren't as accurate as bullets, which is why they aren't in wide use.

The fact they're not a lump of iron, and have pointed tips on them and fins on the side, makes this MORE impressive than the same feat done with bullets, as this was done without a scratch on Danny's unprotected hands.

prove what were the exact things he shot at spider-man, prove they travel at bullet speed

One poster complains Danny's fist is enhanced when he catches a bullet, and it's nothing Spidey couldn't do if his hands were as durable.

So I show a feat of Danny doing the same without the Iron Fist, and another poster complains it only demonstrates hand speed.

Like banging your head against a wall sometimes..

Originally posted by cdtm
One poster complains Danny's fist is enhanced when he catches a bullet, and it's nothing Spidey couldn't do if his hands were as durable.

So I show a feat of Danny doing the same without the Iron Fist, and another poster complains it only demonstrates hand speed.

Like banging your head against a wall sometimes..

He has multiple feats where he dodges bullets from dozens of people with automatic weapons, and they are in his respect thread.

Originally posted by cdtm
One poster complains Danny's fist is enhanced when he catches a bullet, and it's nothing Spidey couldn't do if his hands were as durable.

So I show a feat of Danny doing the same without the Iron Fist, and another poster complains it only demonstrates hand speed.

Like banging your head against a wall sometimes..

didnt answered the things i asked you to, prove what are those things shot at him and prove they travel at bullet speed

hand speed and overall movement speed are diffferent things

there are people in real life who can catch painball bullets and even rubber bullets , they have a very good eye hand cordination and a swift hand snap speed, however it doesnt mean if they fight they will be super fast as there entire body speed is a different thing

Originally posted by red sabre
didnt answered the things i asked you to, prove what are those things shot at him and prove they travel at bullet speed

hand speed and overall movement speed are diffferent things

there are people in real life who can catch painball bullets and even rubber bullets , they have a very good eye hand cordination and a swift hand snap speed, however it doesnt mean if they fight they will be super fast as there entire body speed is a different thing

Google is your friend.

If you don't know anything about flechettes, and won't accept my word for it, that's your problem.

And paintballs can't penetrate steel, as his could. (Obviously, only in comics is this possible..)

Originally posted by cdtm
Google is your friend.

If you don't know anything about flechettes, and won't accept my word for it, that's your problem.

And paintballs can't penetrate steel, as his could. (Obviously, only in comics is this possible..)

there is nothing to google about, you cant prove a damn thing because you dont know what was shot at danny and at what speed it was traveling , for all that i care those could be fingernails shot at him at much lesser speed than a bullet

penetrating steel is irrelevant, we are talking about speed and the fact a man can catch those with the right eye hand cordination training and swift hands, doesnt make him super human fast by overall movement

So, basically you know as much about flechettes as you do about Iron Fist.

Originally posted by SamZED
A>B>C logic doesnt work concidering characters tend to job to one another on occasions.

Spider-man did catch a bullet once. And unlike Danny he can't amp his hand's durability. He also dodged machinegunfire from like 200+ people while carrying someone and while inside of a warehouse. Leaped through a moving rotor of helicopter. 3 times. Also while carrying someone. Iron Fist is not faster than him.

Since I'm way behind in spider-man how does current Parker stack up here? I'm assuming he's way better then he used to be judging from his armor and kung fu training.

Originally posted by cdtm
So, basically you know as much about flechettes as you do about Iron Fist.

prove they were flechettes, and even flechettes can be shot at different speeds depends on the mechanism

Originally posted by red sabre
brute strength is also important because that means spider-man can just smash his head and tearm him apart limb by limb or in half

movement speed is part of combat speed as the fighting itself is the speed of movement, it seems you got confuced with the well known KMC debate of "flight speed does not equel fight speed" , movement speed however is a total different thing and is relevant to this because movement speed IS fighting speed, so in that case you want to tell me that iron fist can beat quicksilver or flash just because they move fast? are you serious?

as for the feats i posted it clearly shows you spider-man blitzing people like thor and multiple heroes at the same time, he doesnt need to speedblitz super speedsters just to prove he is faster than iron fist, what are the speed feats of iron fist? what speed feats put him above the averege street? iron fist IS the averege street aside of that iron fist of his

see in the first sentence you immediately use brute strength and striking force interchangeably. Brute strength DOES have something to do with striking power, but we already know that Ironfist's striking power is greater than Spiderman's, so it's really a moot point.

Movement speed is the same, if you run fast, there's a chance that you can fight fast, but it still needs to be proven. There was a nice line in a superman/batman comic, where batman inquires who's faster, Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt. In this case, Spiderman would be Usain Bolt and Ironfist would be Bruce Lee. I don't doubt that Spiderman is outright faster, but in a fight, Ironfist has better combat speed feats. Also I didn't say that we needed to see Spiderman speed blitz super speedsters, but people who have above human speed. Just because someone puts on a mask, doesn't mean we suddenly attribute them superior stats. Some of the people Spiderman blitzed are incredibly strong but they're no faster than the average person.

Originally posted by jalek moye
Since I'm way behind in spider-man how does current Parker stack up here? I'm assuming he's way better then he used to be judging from his armor and kung fu training.

See this is a good point, no one's brought up the new armor yet. Does it make him stronger?

I haven't read the stories he's had with the armor.

Originally posted by Trackz
see in the first sentence you immediately use brute strength and striking force interchangeably. Brute strength DOES have something to do with striking power, but we already know that Ironfist's striking power is greater than Spiderman's, so it's really a moot point.

Movement speed is the same, if you run fast, there's a chance that you can fight fast, but it still needs to be proven. There was a nice line in a superman/batman comic, where batman inquires who's faster, Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt. In this case, Spiderman would be Usain Bolt and Ironfist would be Bruce Lee. I don't doubt that Spiderman is outright faster, but in a fight, Ironfist has better combat speed feats. Also I didn't say that we needed to see Spiderman speed blitz super speedsters, but people who have above human speed. Just because someone puts on a mask, doesn't mean we suddenly attribute them superior stats. Some of the people Spiderman blitzed are incredibly strong but they're no faster than the average person.

They are both Bruce Lee.

Originally posted by Mindset
That's not a nice line, that's completely stupid.

They are both Bruce Lee.

qft.

The debate with Red Sabre should probably have ended with

iron fist IS the averege street aside of that iron fist of his.

Like you said, he obviously doesn't know a thing about Iron Fist. And, can't even be bothered to check out his respect thread.

Reviewed the thread:

Pete and Danny's reflex speed should be considered about equal. Neither routinely do things the other could not in that regard.

Yes Pete is stronger. Yes, Danny hits harder with the IF, which he can use on. Oth hands all the time. Danny can take hits from Pete. Look at his fights with Radiaion Man, with Luke (while mind controlled), with Davos, etc. plus, he is extraordinarily skilled at rolling with punches. See any issue of his comics ever for how hard it is to land a solid blow.

Pete can't take an IF hit from Danny. Plus, Danny's non-If striking power is well above street level. His normal kicks bend steel beams.

I'm inclined to give Danny a slight majority over Pete. I'm incline to give team 2 a comfortable in over team 1.

Originally posted by Trackz
see in the first sentence you immediately use brute strength and striking force interchangeably. Brute strength DOES have something to do with striking power, but we already know that Ironfist's striking power is greater than Spiderman's, so it's really a moot point.

Movement speed is the same, if you run fast, there's a chance that you can fight fast, but it still needs to be proven. There was a nice line in a superman/batman comic, where batman inquires who's faster, Bruce Lee or Usain Bolt. In this case, Spiderman would be Usain Bolt and Ironfist would be Bruce Lee. I don't doubt that Spiderman is outright faster, but in a fight, Ironfist has better combat speed feats. Also I didn't say that we needed to see Spiderman speed blitz super speedsters, but people who have above human speed. Just because someone puts on a mask, doesn't mean we suddenly attribute them superior stats. Some of the people Spiderman blitzed are incredibly strong but they're no faster than the average person.

you cant compare real life logic and the comics character iron fist who is a street with athletic strength level but is able to deliver train destryoing punch because of chi amp Lol

brute strength matters alot because at any point spider-man can grab his arm and rip it off or just rip him in half or throw cars at him, so many things can be done that strength alone is indeed a factor here

movement speed IS fighting speed, why are you using running? did i mention running at any point? i reffered to movement speed as the overall body movement speed and this is what fighting speed is all about, its about how fast you can move your entire body and body parts to the point you gain the upper hand in speed, by your logic he can outfight quicksilver and flash just because they can move fast but not fight fast? you know how dumb that sounds?

i said that spider - man doesnt need to speedblitz speedsters because iron fist is not a speedster, what feats can you show me that present iron fist as a speedster? i showed you spider-man speedblitz a group of heroes with miss marvel being one of them, its very safe to say that miss marvel alone is faster than iron fist , i presented spider-man speedblitz thor who is once again easily can match or supress iron fist by speed judging by showins, so basically i present on panel feats of spider-man being the superior and all you do is say no he isnt? 🙄

and by the way i dont have the scan but spider-man actually was able to outfight speed demon while speed demon was running at him full speed

there is no question that spider-man is stronger, more durable, faster, more agile, can kill iron fist with an all out strike, and has spider sense to avoid iron fist all night long, i presented a scan where spider-man is actually being faster than a bullet by movement speed, being faster than a bullet does not equel avoid bullets because he actually stood still at point blank and when the bullet was shot he was able to get out of the way by entire body movement and not just by hand movement, so for starters present me a feat showing iron fist being superior to bullet speed by body movement and not just avoid bullets

Originally posted by Dream Stuff

Danny can take hits from Pete. Look at his fights with Radiaion Man, with Luke (while mind controlled), with Davos

Plus, Danny's non-If striking power is well above street level. His normal kicks bend steel beams.

see now i was trying to be fair and say both spider-man and iron fist can take each other out with a good placed punch, but if you want to go that route with me no problem, i can present you feats of spider-man survivng hits from hulk, rulk, juggernaut, countless class 100 bricks and then say its a proof iron fist cant take him out with his iron fist punch, then i will ask you to prove iron fist hits harder than hulk namor juggernaut atc atc atc, you dont want to go that way with me

so lets be fair here pete if not holding back hits hard enough to smash iron fist skull as should be while iron fist if using the iron fist probably will KO pete

OH come on kicking steel is suddenly above street? you serious? daredevil, shang chi,punisher or any other street as a matter of fact kicking steel doors and whats not for living you cant be serious with that thing

What stops Spidey from turning Cage into his own personal wrecking ball, and flogging Danny with him?

Nothing actually