Originally posted by ares834
Here is the quote:"Kar Vastor had been the essence, the personification, of primal power, jungle savagery, and bloodlust distilled into flesh. Nick had never seen any¬one or anything to match him.
Until now.
Until he stood, unarmed, before Darth Vader.
As if being armed would make a difference, he thought. He could be tricked out with wrist rockets, a hold-out shooter, a pair of DL-44s, and a disruptor rifle, and he might just as well be carrying a pointed stick.
Vastor had been animal ferocity and menace, barely contained. He'd thrummed with the power of the dark side. His arms, legs, torso, and shoulders had been layered with striated muscle; he looked like he could have lifted a pregnant grasser over his head. One-handed.
Vader was as tall as Vastor had been, but probably massed a good twenty kilos less. He wasn't physically impressive in the same way; no musculature was visible under the black armor. It didn't matter. There was no doubt in Nick's mind that, were Kar Vastor somehow to be pitted against Darth Vader, the feral Balawai renegade wouldn't stand a chance.
The Force was powerful in Vader; even the dim wattage of Nick's connection could feel that. It was far more powerful than it had been in Kar Vastor. It had pulsed from Vastor in waves of fury, blasted like an open furnace. In Vader, it was—contained. Pent.
Waiting."
That seems pretty solid to me. He doesn't just mention the level of power but how it feels as well. Its too in depth and detailed to just write off imo.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Ahh.Keep in mind.
1. This is a much older Kar, and not his younger, more powerful self.
No. This book is set a mere three years afterwards.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
2. The author is probably biased against the character.
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Originally posted by Battlemaster
3. He is away from the very Jungle he is an Avatar of - though if this were on Haruun Kal, and especially if this were the Vastor that Mace fought - Vader would be turned into a pathetic prison ***** for Vastor to rape every night.
Doubtful. Notice Nick's dialogue when he describes Kar Vastor. It's all about the jungle, furthermore he talks about how Vastor's power was pretty much unmatched. It seems clear he is talking about Vastor on Haruun Kul specifically since he is talking about Vastor in the past tense.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Vader does not = Prime Kar Vastor/Jungle Avatar in any way.That Vastor would sexually dominate Vader.
Once again, doubtful. Windu, while seemingly holding back, managed to subdue Kar rather easily via telekinesis. Vader could do likewise.
Originally posted by ares834
[B]No. This book is set a mere three years afterwards.
Ah, I was thinking of Shadows of Mindor.
Originally posted by ares834
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Doubtful. Notice Nick's dialogue when he describes Kar Vastor. It's all about the jungle, furthermore he talks about how Vastor's power was pretty much unmatched. It seems clear he is talking about Vastor on Haruun Kul specifically since he is talking about Vastor in the past tense.
Nick was likely Overestimating Vader then.
Simple mistake.
Originally posted by ares834
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Once again, doubtful. Windu, while seemingly holding back, managed to subdue Kar rather easily via telekinesis. Vader could do likewise.
Maybe. Kar got taken by surprise by Windu and in a straight fight, Prime Kar could likely blitz Vader and decapitate him.
Originally posted by Pwned
I agree, Mace came off as holding back in every fight but the hand to hand one.
He probably held back in their first skirmish at the Balawai encampment but so did Kar.
And in their final fight - Windu didn't want to fight Kar, because he knew even if he was healthy; and on his best day, Kar would kill him.
Originally posted by BattlemasterNot holding back at all, and with both armed, Windu would probably mop the floor with Vastor. When I am not insanely busy, I will read over the last fight of Shatterpoint again.
He probably held back in their first skirmish at the Balawai encampment but so did Kar.And in their final fight - Windu didn't want to fight Kar, because he knew even if he was healthy; and on his best day, Kar would kill him.
Originally posted by Pwned
Not holding back at all, and with both armed, Windu would probably mop the floor with Vastor. When I am not insanely busy, I will read over the last fight of Shatterpoint again.
- You should.
Mace makes it painfully clear that even healthy and on his best day, Vastor would use him as a dispensable sex-toy.
Why people believe Vader is so low in terms of power, particularly after the TFU novels puzzles me, he was shown to be extremely powerful in terms of force ability and combat.
That and his armor has really high damage soak.
His Sword abilities are some thing else, Djem + Makashi + Sorseru, with his speed and strength makes him very dangerous in CC which is what Mace will be in.
As for TK I would argue that it would be more likely that Vader crushes Windu's lungs than Windu crushing vader with TK.
I am actually surprised that people here gave Vader so much credit instead of simply killing topic with Windu stomps.
What plays against Vader the most is his reduced speed and mobility. I would put my bet on RotS Anakin in pure lightsaber combat. But as Vader he compensates his body limitations with offensive Force attacks.
Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Mace Windu TK's Vader's breathing machine, like he crushed Grievous.Or you know, he utterly beats the shit out of Vader. Windu bested Kar Vastor who had the raw power of Yoda more or less and beat Sidious. I don't see what a maimed Vader would do to him.
Didn't Mace also say Vastor had the raw power of Anakin? Mace's point was that Vastor had more raw power than himself, not that he was actually on Yoda's level.
Besides, Vader's TK is greater than Mace's, so I don't see Mace crushing anything on Vader.
Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Didn't Mace also say Vastor had the raw power of Anakin? Mace's point was that Vastor had more raw power than himself, not that he was actually on Yoda's level.Besides, Vader's TK is greater than Mace's, so I don't see Mace crushing anything on Vader.
It's been some time, but Vastor's power as discerned by Mace Windu was approaching or surpassing Yoda's own or Anakin's own. He also notes that it is more raw potential than mastered Force powers, so unlike Windu or even Vader, he's not a true Force disciple, just a Force-enhanced animal of a man.
I'm still not convinced that Rostu's an expert in measuring Force capability as say Mace Windu, given that the former has a dim understanding of the Force and the latter is a Master on the Council.
I agree with Ares on that. Sensing raw power, just about all the high-tier people are grouped up together.
Sensing refined power, Kar comes off as nothing. He has no refined power. While Yoda and Sidious would come off as gods, I would bet. (Note: That is just while sensing their levels of refined power, e.g. their achieved powah levels)