Darth Vader (Peak Suit) Vs. Mace Windu

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
It's been some time, but Vastor's power as discerned by Mace Windu was approaching or surpassing Yoda's own or Anakin's own. He also notes that it is more raw potential than mastered Force powers, so unlike Windu or even Vader, he's not a true Force disciple, just a Force-enhanced animal of a man.

I'm still not convinced that Rostu's an expert in measuring Force capability as say Mace Windu, given that the former has a dim understanding of the Force and the latter is a Master on the Council.

Well put.

Ray, Mace is the second best swordsman in the entire Order, right after Yoda. I am fairly certain that was directly stated (somewhere.... Not even a stretch to believe on either way)

Kenobi is in the top ten of that era, sure, but he is not as good as Windu, who created an entirely new style, and had great knowledge of the others.

Originally posted by Pwned
Ray, Mace is the second best swordsman in the entire Order, right after Yoda. I am fairly certain that was directly stated (somewhere.... Not even a stretch to believe on either way)

Kenobi is in the top ten of that era, sure, but he is not as good as Windu, who created an entirely new style, and had great knowledge of the others.

Considering how ridiculously close most of Kenobi's battles are, it's questionable if his defensive style really puts him even that high up. I can't think of a single fight where Obi-Wan dominated or won without being nearly defeated several times by his opponent. Even against a non-Force sensitive such as Jango Fett, GL basically said they were fairly well matched. Video evidence supports this.

Which is sad, because Kenobi is my favorite Jedi aside from Qui-Gon Jinn, and both of them have a history of losing/barely winning battles.

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
I can't think of a single fight where Obi-Wan dominated or won without being nearly defeated several times by his opponent.

He kicked A'Sharad Hett's ass so hard he tore the ****ers arm off with the Force.

Good point, I'd forgotten that. Obi-Wan became awesome at kicking ass after defeating Anakin in the Mustafar Flash Point, because he leveled and could put points in Badass.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He kicked A'Sharad Hett's ass so hard he tore the ****ers arm off with the Force.

Nah, the artist said he just cut it off.

http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/janduursema/?read=9783&expand=0

Originally posted by Stealth Moose
Considering how ridiculously close most of Kenobi's battles are, it's questionable if his defensive style really puts him even that high up. I can't think of a single fight where Obi-Wan dominated or won without being nearly defeated several times by his opponent. Even against a non-Force sensitive such as Jango Fett, GL basically said they were fairly well matched. Video evidence supports this.

Which is sad, because Kenobi is my favorite Jedi aside from Qui-Gon Jinn, and both of them have a history of losing/barely winning battles.

Plus, it was Jango Fett. That guy is a challenge for any jedi except for Mace. Because Samuel L. Jackson is a badass.

Originally posted by ares834
Nah, the artist said he just cut it off.

http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/janduursema/?read=9783&expand=0

I don't believe him.

The picture is clear. His lightsaber is nowhere near the arm and Obi-Wan's hand is glowing and pointing at the arm. If he did cut it off then the artist utterly failed to convey that.

There's even a bunch of residue, like from a shockwave tearing something up.

Yeah, I agree it looks completely like he tore of Krayt's arm. I'd assume the force energy we see is just Kenobi force pushing the arm away to get the lightsaber out of reach.

Why would the lightsaber being out of reach matter to a guy who has one arm?

The only way it would matter would be if Kenobi took the other one away. (I am avoiding that awful pun) And even the, Hett had the Force.

He does. In the next panel he uses the force to disarm A'sharad.

Dang it! You punned -.-

I haven't read that comic, so meh.

Originally posted by Pwned
so meh.

So I'll 'so yeh on court'.

Logically Obi-Wan would never reap someones hand of with sheer Force. Come on, he is Jedi after all, they don't use Force directly with lethal intent.
Also, it's comic author's fail that it looks like he used Force to reap hand of:

"After the publication of Claws of the Dragon, Part 3 there was some confusion over whether Kenobi used the Force or his lightsaber to sever Hett's right arm from his body.[5] The confusion surrounds a series of comic-panels, drawn by Jan Duursema, which seems to suggest that Kenobi might have used the Force to amputate Hett's arm. Nevertheless, Jan Duursema replied via her official message board that, "…the arm was not Force pulled off. Certainly would be a lot messier than the surgical precision of a lightsaber. Probably bleed to death though…", thus clarifying the initial confusion among readers.[6]"

I was reading the thread list quickly and I almost read this as "Darth Vader (Pink Suit) versus Mace Windu". That would be Youtube worthy.

Sabers: Mace 10/10
Force: Vader 7/10

All Out: Mace 7/10

Originally posted by ares834

Once again, doubtful. Windu, while seemingly holding back, managed to subdue Kar rather easily via telekinesis. Vader could do likewise.

When did this happen?

Kar was the one tossing Mace around with the Force IIRC.

End of the duel. Mace windu throws one of Kar's shields at Kar knocking him out IIRC.

Jedi rules, not jungle rules... or something to that effect. Don't have the novel in front of me, so that's a very loose paraphrase. But the point is that Mace was indeed holding back, despite his modesty later on. In a strict fistfight, Mace has his work cut out for him, but when it the time came to end it at the end of the novel, he did just that. Mace has a history of holding back it seems. This is due in large to his fear of falling to the dark side, something that was remedied for the most part after the events of Shatterpoint (see quote somewehere in the RotS novel when he is dueling Sidious about him no longer fearing the darkness).

Originally posted by ares834
End of the duel. Mace windu throws one of Kar's shields at Kar knocking him out IIRC.

👆 Right man. Except that he ***king impaled him with the shield, coming within millimeters of killing him. Kar really never stood a chance when push came to shove.

I think that Vader's Force and Physical strength are not being taken into account. Palpatine had the Force, but onlt that plus the strength of a human. Vader has the Force plus the strength of a machine. He is stronger than Palpatine is. He will keep crashing on Mace's defenses, getting stronger as the fight goes on.