Originally posted by Golgo13
Is brainy considered a jla villain? anyway if the rumors are true wb is going to set this up as a massive trilogy. Somethibg like lotr.
Originally posted by Golgo13
^^ Like I said above, Darkseid could set JLA up to be an actual trilogy, so everything isn't so condensed.Which is what I hope they do and makes sense, IMO.
Not a good idea to set it up as a trilogy with a loose ending Imo. The first needs to be a stand alone movie. If that's a success they can plan more from there.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERI don't know, if they manage to even get the JLA point it will be because all the set-up films did well so if that's the case setting it up for a Trilogy might make them more money.
Not a good idea to set it up as a trilogy with a loose ending Imo. The first needs to be a stand alone movie. If that's a success they can plan more from there.
As for Darksied being the villian it will probably be 5-7 years down the line before we get the JLA film at all if they follow the same pattern Marvel did for set-up. Perhaps enough time will have passed that it won't be that big of a deal to Darksied be the main villian as he is the marquee JLA villain imo.
Also I almost feel like you need the Big Bad + Army for these types of movies.
If you have a single villain that can beat the entire team I think it would be hard to stretch that out for an entire movie.
Maybe something with Cadmus would be fun or Checkmate. I know some parallels would be made with SHIELD.
Originally posted by JakeTheBankAs far as JLA goes, WB/DC just need to stop worrying about trying to be so original and not be labeled a "copy" of Marvel and the Avengers. A good story will completely make those critiques obsolete.
I don't think they are worried about copying them. End of the day wasn't the point of the GL movie to be like Marvel's Iron Man? Start off a load of solo movies that would lead to a team up.
Still I think they should find their own formula instead of copying Marvel's. Even though the Originality of a team up of popular heroes on the big screen has gone. (Simply because Marvel had the balls to get on with it, while WB just sat around bringing us one DC disaster every few years. Whilst it's one success could not be incorporated into a team up world.)
And they should probably collaborate a bit. I don't think it would do either franchise any favors if in the same summer we had an Avengers vs Thanos and a JL vs Darkseid. Not that I'd mind though 😛
Originally posted by Newjak
I don't know, if they manage to even get the JLA point it will be because all the set-up films did well so if that's the case setting it up for a Trilogy might make them more money.As for Darksied being the villian it will probably be 5-7 years down the line before we get the JLA film at all if they follow the same pattern Marvel did for set-up. Perhaps enough time will have passed that it won't be that big of a deal to Darksied be the main villian as he is the marquee JLA villain imo.
Uh, they plan on releasing Man of Steel and then JLA after - no other solo movies to build up the franchise.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Is brainy considered a jla villain?
He could be. Look at DCUO for instance.
Originally posted by Blair WindReally I thought Man of Steel was just gonna be the kick-off for all the JLA related movies...hmmm
Uh, they plan on releasing Man of Steel and then JLA after - no other solo movies to build up the franchise.
So how do they plan on introducing Flash, Wonder Woman, are they just going with Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern?
Well in that case it changes nothing of my opinion. They should still set it up like they expect it to be a trilogy.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
According to Whedon, Avengers 2 is going to be more personal and deal with the Avengers trying to save themselves more so than the world. That doesn't quite seem like something that would involve Thanos, does it?One idea that's circling the rumor mill is that Thanos will be entirely focused on in Guardians of the Galaxy and that Avengers 2 will deal with the Masters of Evil. Since Avengers 2 is supposed to "hit closer to home" - again from Whedon's own words - that does lend some credence to the MoE (that specific arc in which they invaded the Mansion coming to mind). Thanos, from what we know, could give two shits about Earth; he's interested in the universe and presumably Death (cue Thanos grin). I don't think he'd try to tear the Avengers apart from within or hit them where it hurts, but supposedly Phase 3 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe is going to be even bigger than Phase 2.
As far as JLA goes, WB/DC just need to stop worrying about trying to be so original and not be labeled a "copy" of Marvel and the Avengers. A good story will completely make those critiques obsolete. Using Darkseid would be tough, and they'd have to condense the whole Fourth World/New Gods thing down if they went that route - especially considering they have to establish the JLA as well, not just the villain.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBank
In my dream world, there would be a Fourth World/New Gods stand alone movie. Visually, it would be the shit.Funnily enough, the Masters of the Universe movie was conceptually very close to being a New Gods movie.
It was supposed to be a New Gods adaptation, iirc.
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Yeah, Brainiac certainly has the capability of being a JLA villain. I just hope they figure something out that isn't "alien battle droid army" that the League has to fight.
Originally posted by Newjak
Really I thought Man of Steel was just gonna be the kick-off for all the JLA related movies...hmmmSo how do they plan on introducing Flash, Wonder Woman, are they just going with Ryan Reynolds Green Lantern?
They're just going to introduce them all in the JL Movie. Including a new Batman.
Originally posted by Newjak
Well in that case it changes nothing of my opinion. They should still set it up like they expect it to be a trilogy.
Have to see how well it does first. It probably will be a trilogy in the end (that seems to be the modern day trend of popular franchises).
But I don't think it'd be a good idea to make it full of loose ends like LOTR or the Star Wars Prequels where there's no proper ending because it's set up as a trilogy.
If it works then great. But WB seem to assume too much when making these movies.
They assumed Green Lantern was going to be a huge success based on the production cost and talks of a sequel before the movie was even released.
And they pretty much assumed the same with Superman Returns.
Originally posted by DARTH POWERWell that will be interesting to say the least. The one of the reasons I credit with the avengers working so well is that the origins and character development portions of the movie were taken care of in their solo movies.
They're just going to introduce them all in the JL Movie. Including a new Batman.Have to see how well it does first. It probably will be a trilogy in the end (that seems to be the modern day trend of popular franchises).
But I don't think it'd be a good idea to make it full of loose ends like LOTR or the Star Wars Prequels where there's no proper ending because it's set up as a trilogy.
If it works then great. But WB seem to assume too much when making these movies.
They assumed Green Lantern was going to be a huge success based on the production cost and talks of a sequel before the movie was even released.
And they pretty much assumed the same with Superman Returns.
Maybe they can pull it off but that seems like a lot of important characters and backgrounds that are gonna have to be hurried through to fit it all in one movie.
The more I read about it the more and more I think a JLA movie is going to be an uphill battle to get it to work.
Originally posted by -Pr-Agreed
Pretty much.One of the reasons why Avengers worked so well is that even with all of their screen time, you could always go back and watch Thor if you wanted to see more of him.
Doing this as a team and then expecting to be able to do solo movies is tricky, tbh.
Although before the Marvel's Phase one I would have said that the general population would be more well versed in DC character mythos so perhaps DC can get away without giving the origins and character development stuff solo.
Still I just feel like trying to introduce all these characters is going to complicate the plot more especially if you want the characters to develop at all.
Plus I think this going to be more special effects heavy than even the Avengers which means it will cost a pretty penny to make.
I just see them having to throw all this time to character arcs and subplots, and even the motivations for the villain and establishing them as a credible threat. As well as a bunch of action because that's what you expect from a superhero movie.
I could see it being a lot like Captain America, where they did one thing very well but had to rush through other parts to get everything in.
The Avengers largely avoided this, so it will be interesting to see how DC pulls this off.
Another thing that worries me is that people might know who Batman and Superman are, but to a lot of people, the "Justice League" is an unknown quantity.
Seriously, every time I've mentioned a JLA movie to "casual" movie people, they're like "Oh, is Thor in that?" and you can sub in Iron Man etc.
At least with Avengers, you had the backing where you could say "it's the coming together of the guys from all those movies".
How many people are going to know who the **** Martian Manhunter is, or even Cyborg?
While I think some movies can come from this; say, Flash or Aquaman, I really think we have to have at least the trinity in their own movies first, otherwise a JLA movie is going to revolve even more about those three.
Are Cyborg and J'onn going to be the Hawkeye and Black Widow of JLA?
Originally posted by -Pr-Yeah the trinity would have been good to have in their own movies.
Another thing that worries me is that people might know who Batman and Superman are, but to a lot of people, the "Justice League" is an unknown quantity.Seriously, every time I've mentioned a JLA movie to "casual" movie people, they're like "Oh, is Thor in that?" and you can sub in Iron Man etc.
At least with Avengers, you had the backing where you could say "it's the coming together of the guys from all those movies".
How many people are going to know who the **** Martian Manhunter is, or even Cyborg?
While I think some movies can come from this; say, Flash or Aquaman, I really think we have to have at least the trinity in their own movies first, otherwise a JLA movie is going to revolve even more about those three.
Are Cyborg and J'onn going to be the Hawkeye and Black Widow of JLA?
Is it true Joseph Gordon-Levitt is planned to be the Batman for the JLA movie, or is that just a rumor that is floating around?
Originally posted by -Pr-Yeah same here.
Rumour. And I hope it stays that way.
It wouldn't make sense to me cause Nolan verse Batman wouldn't fit into a JLA movie and JGL would be a direct link to that universe obviously.
Even if they called him a 'new' Batman not associated with nolanverse everyone would still draw parallels cause of the actor
Also as much as I like JGL I don't think of him as Batman. He would be a good Nightwing imo.
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None of this negativity would have taken place if they had done Green Lantern right - he could have been their Iron Man and ushered in a great set of films.
Instead they butchered him. I just hope he doesn't get back burned in future films because of it. "General audiences won't like him" - no, the character is great. They just corrupted his mythos.
Originally posted by Blair WindI've only seen GL once.
🙁None of this negativity would have taken place if they had done Green Lantern right - he could have been their Iron Man and ushered in a great set of films.
Instead they butchered him. I just hope he doesn't get back burned in future films because of it. "General audiences won't like him" - no, the character is great. They just corrupted his mythos.
It definitely looked they bit of more than they could chew when they were making it.
Also I think the second one would have been much better with Sinestro as the main villain.
The interactions between him and Hal were much better than a lot of the movie.