Originally posted by -Pr-What do you feel makes them dissimilar, and what do you think Arthur will bring to a JL movie that Diana won't?
Not if they're at all accurate to the source material. Not being snippy, I just think it would take a decent amount of bastardisation to make them remotely similar is all.
Originally posted by Newjak
What do you feel makes them dissimilar, and what do you think Arthur will bring to a JL movie that Diana won't?
Okay, well for starters, Arthur is a child of our world. He wasn't raised by Atlanteans; he was raised by a human. He lived with humans, ate with humans, went to school with humans etc. The surface world is his world. Him facing his heritage is something that nobody else in the League can say they do to the extent that he does.
Why?
Because Arthur is the King. He's a child of humanity, and yet he also has a responsibility to his people. Nobody in the League is put in the middle quite as much as Arthur is. Not to mention the fact that Atlanteans are a constant threat to the surface world at any one time. Then there's the fact that while people know of Wonder Woman due to her ambassadorial status (and have gotten used to her), Aquaman just shows up out of the blue, when most of the population thought he didn't even exist.
Aquaman's power-set alone makes him different enough that you could easily accentuate the differences. I mean, tell me you wouldn't want to see an underwater fight between say, Arthur and Steppenwolf.
Even if the movie literally copied the latest JLA arc with Darkseid, Arthur's intro would be unique enough that he wouldn't look out of place.
I'd be down for an underwater fight, but honestly if that's the major thing AM is going to bring to a movie there are plenty of other things I would rather see or get emphasized. 😛
And that is a great description of him but do you think adding that into a 3 hour movie would hurt or help the movie?
To me it would hurt it if they went into that amount of detail. If they don't spend enough time on him, he will probably just come off as a generic version of Wonder Woman based solely on abilities and quick origins.
Of course having an Atlantean Army might be cool to fight against Apokolips Forces.
Originally posted by Newjak
I'd be down for an underwater fight, but honestly if that's the major thing AM is going to bring to a movie there are plenty of other things I would rather see or get emphasized. 😛And that is a great description of him but do you think adding that into a 3 hour movie would hurt or help the movie?
To me it would hurt it if they went into that amount of detail. If they don't spend enough time on him, he will probably just come off as a generic version of Wonder Woman based solely on abilities and quick origins.
Of course having an Atlantean Army might be cool to fight against Apokolips Forces.
I never said it was the major thing, so boo on you. uhuh
Giving him a short origin wouldn't be any different than giving it to anyone else, would it?
I'm still not seeing how he'd come across as a version of Wonder Woman. The only thing they have in common is that they're both warriors. Even his royalty is focused on more than hers.
Originally posted by -Pr-It was the only thing that I liked uhuh
I never said it was the major thing, so boo on you. uhuhGiving him a short origin wouldn't be any different than giving it to anyone else, would it?
I'm still not seeing how he'd come across as a version of Wonder Woman. The only thing they have in common is that they're both warriors. Even his royalty is focused on more than hers.
No giving him a short introduction isn't any different, but the time you have to spend on him takes away from other points and characters. So if you're going to introduce him in a shortened capacity he had better be bringing something unique and enhancing to the story.
The reason I keep comparing them is because I see them bringing roughly the same selling points and roles to the team and story.
Let's all be honest Superman is going to be the major gun. He is going to be the strongest JLer in the movie.
Green Lantern is going to bring versatility and power.
Flash will probably be comedic relief and I'm sure they will play up his speed to be better than supes to make him more useful in certain situations.
Batman will most likely be the tactical brain and thinker of the group.
So other than that what can Aquaman bring that Diana isn't?
Both are roughly a tier below Superman in Strength and other abilities.
Hardened warrior traits?
An army of skilled warriors?
Magical items?
Ancient Knowledge?
A Royal aspect?
I just don't see them being able to throw Arthur into a role that Diana won't also be occupying and with time restraints I don't see them being able to make them different enough in a time restricted place.
Personally I would rather him get his own movie or be introduced in the second where more time can get devoted to him.
Originally posted by Newjak
It was the only thing that I liked uhuhNo giving him a short introduction isn't any different, but the time you have to spend on him takes away from other points and characters. So if you're going to introduce him in a shortened capacity he had better be bringing something unique and enhancing to the story.
The reason I keep comparing them is because I see them bringing roughly the same selling points and roles to the team and story.
Let's all be honest Superman is going to be the major gun. He is going to be the strongest JLer in the movie.
Green Lantern is going to bring versatility and power.
Flash will probably be comedic relief and I'm sure they will play up his speed to be better than supes to make him more useful in certain situations.
Batman will most likely be the tactical brain and thinker of the group.
So other than that what can Aquaman bring that Diana isn't?
Both are roughly a tier below Superman in Strength and other abilities.
Hardened warrior traits?
An army of skilled warriors?
Magical items?
Ancient Knowledge?
A Royal aspect?
I just don't see them being able to throw Arthur into a role that Diana won't also be occupying and with time restraints I don't see them being able to make them different enough in a time restricted place.
Personally I would rather him get his own movie or be introduced in the second where more time can get devoted to him.
TBH, those similarities, as you put them, would only be shoved in people's faces if they were focused on to the point of redundancy. After all, why have Martian Manhunter when you have Superman, for instance?
Arthur and Diana are different enough, especially with his telepathy, that they would function differently imo. I don't agree that they bring the same selling points at all. Heck, half of the stuff you listed doesn't even occur in the comics.
Originally posted by -Pr-And I don't think MM should be introduced in the first movie. Like I said if the roster BW described as confirmed was the only one I would be okay with it.
TBH, those similarities, as you put them, would only be shoved in people's faces if they were focused on to the point of redundancy. After all, why have Martian Manhunter when you have Superman, for instance?Arthur and Diana are different enough, especially with his telepathy, that they would function differently imo. I don't agree that they bring the same selling points at all. Heck, half of the stuff you listed doesn't even occur in the comics.
That's a good number to have to juggle as well as a good blend of powers and personalities. You can add more into the movies later.
You are right AM's telepathy would be good but is it enough addition to the roster to warrant other members getting less development and screen time?
Also which points do you think aren't shown in the comics?
Originally posted by Newjak
And I don't think MM should be introduced in the first movie. Like I said if the roster BW described as confirmed was the only one I would be okay with it.That's a good number to have to juggle as well as a good blend of powers and personalities. You can add more into the movies later.
You are right AM's telepathy would be good but is it enough addition to the roster to warrant other members getting less development and screen time?
Also which points do you think aren't shown in the comics?
Why is Aquaman less worthy of screen time than Flash, or Green Lantern? Nobody's saying they have to delve in to his history. The arc in Justice League didn't, and his introduction was fine.
Arthur hasn't used an "army of skilled warriors" in over a decade. Unless you count killer whales. Atlantean armies are much less prominent than Amazon ones, and even when Arthur was King, he still fought most battles by himself.
Magical items. Like what, his trident? It's treated as a weapon, not some mystical artifact 99% of the time. Not like Wonder Woman's equipment is.
Ancient knowledge? Sure, but you could say the same about Green Lantern or Superman. They all have their own versions of the same thing, but they don't disqualify one another.
Aquaman's royal aspect is played up a hell of a lot more than Diana's.
Like I said, to a random cinema-goer, these similarities that you believe exist aren't going to be shown unless the movie chooses to focus on them, which would do a disservice to the characters as it is.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Rumor has it, Matthew Vaughn is the director.I don't know how I feel about this.
Matthew Vaughn has the chops. But keep a few things in mind:
- He's a got a reputation for bolting big projects at the 11th hour of pre-production, near when shooting begins (X-Men: The Last Stand, Thor, X-Men: Days Of Future Past.)
- He would be another example of DC luring someone who made their mark on a big Marvel project, to do something for them (aka Bryan singer directing Superman Returns, Halle Berry doing Catwoman, Ryan Reynolds doing Green Lantern); that strategy hasn't really worked out, to put it mildly. This isn't like luring writers & artists across the street for the comics.
- He spouted off two years ago about there being too many comic book films and that it was all going to crash soon.
(Yeah? So why do you keep getting involved in such projects, Matthew?)
Originally posted by Blair WindThat's a very good question.
Newjak and Pr, pretend you (individually) have complete control over the JL movie. You can either tackle it as the first movie or as the last movie in a led up from solo movies - how would you approach the movie? What characters would you include and what story angle would you go with?
I will probably need to think some on that. I might give two scenarios one for if I did it as a series of solos leading up to a team movie.
And a Team Movie first scenario.
Originally posted by -Pr-Yeah I agree.
TBH, I could come up with ideas for both solo movies leading in to a group one, and a group one leading in to a solo one. The issue is trying to avoid being too similar to Avengers.Darkseid's pursuit of the ALE, for example, could very well seem way too similar to Thanos seeking the cube.
If I was doing a team movie first I feel like I would want to bring Brainiac into it. Stick with the arc where he destroyed Kyprton to keep the data valuable and unique, and now he is coming to finish it off by destroying Superman. Upon arriving he learns of some more cultures or items he would love to include in his specimen rack. And will destroy the Earth upon his completion.
And Maybe have it shown at the end Darkseid was the one who showed Brainiac where Superman was living in hopes he would destroy the Earth's threat status to Apokolips.
Then I would have the following solo movies show the heroes facing weird obstacles all with some connection to the New Gods.
The way I saw them using Aquaman would almost be in a humorous/regal/arrogant tone. Almost like Thor in the movies but with more arrogance. If played right his lines and scenes could steal the whole movie. I guess he would fall into the comic relief role, but not at his expense, people would just find themselves looking forward to his scenes.
Just a way to have him act. Maybe not arrogant so much, but maybe more egotistical. It's probably not really the way aquaman comes across in comics, but I just see him stealing scene after scene with charisma and one liners, something nobody was expecting to get from aquaman. Dunno just thinking outloud here.
Originally posted by -Pr-
As long as Flash isn't comic relief. I hate that they did that with JLU.
Come on - that's how DC finally had someone like Peter Parker interacting with the big guns, by having Wally West as the Flash. I still believe he brings a quality that bland Barry Allen doesn't.
You make a JL film, someone has to be the comic cut-up, like Iron Man was. It wouldn't be anyone else on the primary roster.