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Originally posted by Golgo13
A nice Comicvine article about why WB shouldn't start with the solo movies.

http://www.comicvine.com/news/why-a-justice-league-movie-should-come-out-first/145843/

A team film first strategy can be done, but I don't necessarily agree with his reasons to why it should be done.

His main reason to throw it out seems to be based on people's interest of the lesser characters not being enough.

He never mentions Thor or Captain America.

He also didn't give the whole picture as to why Marvel's build up strategy was so successful.

They understood not to make Thor and Cap over-budgeted nightmares of movies like Green Lantern, and despite not pouring huge funds into it Marvel still gave quality films to us that let us get a look at the characters and why we should root and care for them.

It's easy to say DC shouldn't follow the same footsteps as Marvel but instead of going against the flow of something successful just for the sake of being different people instead need to look at why the avenger's were so good cause of the solo movie first stratagem and figure out how those things can translate it into a team movie for JLA first approach.

For instance it was easy to root for Cap and Thor after their solo movies, but with a team movie first approach it could be hard for them to build up that character equity so they should probably pick a villain that will not cause the audience to root for them instead of the heroes.

Originally posted by Newjak

They understood not to make Thor and Cap over-budgeted nightmares of movies like Green Lantern, and despite not pouring huge funds into it Marvel still gave quality films to us that let us get a look at the characters and why we should root and care for them.

Yes this is something WB don't seem to understand. They think the answer to a great superhero movie is just to pour in loads of money (SR and GL) which clearly isn't working for them.

Originally posted by Newjak

For instance it was easy to root for Cap and Thor after their solo movies, but with a team movie first approach it could be hard for them to build up that character equity so they should probably pick a villain that will not cause the audience to root for them instead of the heroes.

This I'm not sure about. Because a JL movie will have Superman and Batman leading the way. Straight away putting those to together and having them lead a team people will root for them.

Also a big highlight of the Avengers team was the Hulk, because he was so superbly done for once. Yes he had his own movie first (not a very successful one and with a different actor) but I'd say that movie wasn't even necessary for the success of Avengers or for Hulk working so well in it.

Finally Hawkeye and BW didn't have their own movie. And although I personally saw Hawkeye as a bit of an extra, I thought BW worked really well.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes this is something WB don't seem to understand. They think the answer to a great superhero movie is just to pour in loads of money (SR and GL) which clearly isn't working for them.

This I'm not sure about. Because a JL movie will have Superman and Batman leading the way. Straight away putting those to together and having them lead a team people will root for them.

Also a big highlight of the Avengers team was the Hulk, because he was so superbly done for once. Yes he had his own movie first (not a very successful one and with a different actor) but I'd say that movie wasn't even necessary for the success of Avengers or for Hulk working so well in it.

Finally Hawkeye and BW didn't have their own movie. And although I personally saw Hawkeye as a bit of an extra, I thought BW worked really well.

The problem is the Hulk did have his own movie so movie goers knew roughly what to expect from him when he showed up. Other than that Whedon did do a good job of giving the Hulk his moments on screen to turn the audience to his side with humor.

Black Widow was shown a lot in IM2 so she may not have had her own movie but she had already had significant screen time going in.

Hawkeye did briefly appear in Thor but like you said he came off more as an extra then a main cast member at points. Some of that could be because he didn't have his own movie or large screen time.

And my point was just a suggestion on one possible pitfall I see coming from this movie if they went Team movie first and a way to to get around it.

Also the problem of making it seem more like Justice League and less like Superman/Batman and friends is there.

It really depends on their strategy, TBH. We don't know what their stratgegy will be, so we can't say if it will work or not. I think the best bet is to have one epic story (Darkseid related) and have it run on a trilogy, not just one big 3 hour movie crammed in, which won't really work, IMO.

Originally posted by Golgo13
It really depends on their strategy, TBH. We don't know what their stratgegy will be, so we can't say if it will work or not. I think the best bet is to have one epic story (Darkseid related) and have it run on a trilogy, not just one big 3 hour movie crammed in, which won't really work, IMO.

No. Darkeid related is suicide for them. As comic fans we fight over the similarities between him and Thanos. What do you think the average, mainstream population is going to say?

I think if they are going to make a big villain the focus of how the JLA gets together then it should be Brianiac. He's a big enough threat, is decently recognizable, and different from Thanos in every way possible.

Originally posted by Blair Wind
No. Darkeid related is suicide for them. As comic fans we fight over the similarities between him and Thanos. What do you think the average, mainstream population is going to say?

I think if they are going to make a big villain the focus of how the JLA gets together then it should be Brianiac. He's a big enough threat, is decently recognizable, and different from Thanos in every way possible.

Rumor has it, Darkseid will be the villain. Which is why I brought him up. And most people don't know the 2 villains, anyway.

Guys....there isn't even a JLA film that's been confirmed. It's all hopes and dreams at this point.

The scripts written - by the same guy who brought us Gangsters Squad.

Which I liked, but had no real character development of any kind to any character.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
Guys....there isn't even a JLA film that's been confirmed. It's all hopes and dreams at this point.

I don't think we have seen so many rumors in a short amount of time, plus Snyder did hint of another DC character as a cameo in MOS. I think it will happen. Maybe not in 2015, but possibly 2016, depending on production.

The casting is going to be tricky, imo. I mean, for the Marvel heroes, they initially went with people who could carry a movie by themselves. Hemsworth, Hiddleston, Evans, RDJ etc. Even Ruffalo has been a male lead before. Then when it came to Avengers, it took a solid director like Whedon to make it work.

For JLA, I fear that they'll worry more about finding a cast that works together than finding people that can carry their own movies. Sure the guy that plays Barry Allen might work well as a co-star, but what happens when they go to make a Flash movie? Do they recast? Or hope that a potential unknown can carry a movie?

I hope they know what they're doing...

Originally posted by Blair Wind
The scripts written - by the same guy who brought us Gangsters Squad.

Which I liked, but had no real character development of any kind to any character.

thing is other than cavill returning as clark/supes, no other character has benn casted whivh to me makes no sense

Ruffalo is legit, no doubt. Even if they got Norton it would be the same result, but some of those other actors like Evans and Hemsworth aren't leading men, IMO. They were average at best before Avengers/Thor.

Originally posted by BruceSkywalker
thing is other than cavill returning as clark/supes, no other character has benn casted whivh to me makes no sense

How do you know? Do you work over there? Obviously, WB isn't going to spill the beans BEFORE MOS. I'm sure they have a slew of actors lined up, IF they are going forward with the JLA. They already have 5 directors on their list.

Originally posted by Golgo13
Ruffalo is legit, no doubt. Even if they got Norton it would be the same result, but some of those other actors like Evans and Hemsworth aren't leading men, IMO. They were average at best before Avengers/Thor.

They were leading men enough to carry their own movie, though. They might not be triple A list, but they had enough presence for you to be able to go "Yeah, he's Cap/Thor".

If those are your definition of leading men, then there are quite of few who could play Batman or Flash or whoever. I'd like to see Ryan Gosling play a part. Not only is he a leading man, but one of the best young actors of this generation.

I bet there will be quite a few actors from UK being in the JLA.

Originally posted by Golgo13
If those are your definition of leading men, then there are quite of few who could play Batman or Flash or whoever. I'd like to see Ryan Gosling play a part. Not only is he a leading man, but one of the best young actors of this generation.

I bet there will be quite a few actors from UK being in the JLA.

Leading men = can carry a movie.

The JLA casting needs to take this in to consideration, imo.

I'm pretty sure they are. It's not like they will hire Pauly Shore. lol.

I think WB already offered Ryan Gosing a part in a DC movie. Depening on the lineup, WW, Superman, Batman, Hal, and Aquaman should all be leading men.

I'm more worried about the script than anything. A solid director can do wonders to an ensemble cast. So actors don't matter to me.

Originally posted by Golgo13
I'm pretty sure they are. It's not like they will hire Pauly Shore. lol.

I think WB already offered Ryan Gosing a part in a DC movie. Depening on the lineup, WW, Superman, Batman, Hal, and Aquaman should all be leading men.

I'm more worried about the script than anything. A solid director can do wonders to an ensemble cast. So actors don't matter to me.

I think it has to be a combination of all three. Script, cast and director. I don't think Darkseid is a good idea unless they're going to show us Apokolips and the new gods, even in brief.

imo Aquaman, Flash and Diana have to be able to carry a movie. Obviously Superman and Batman do too, but I'm less worried about those two than I am about the others.

JLA would be a perfect place to showcase the New Gods. Like I said, I doubt it will work for a single movie, but if it's stretched out as a trilogy, they can obviously fit more story.

Probably, but I really hope they don't think too big too soon. It could work, but if it doesn't, it might be a while before we get another DC movie.