DC's got a lot - and I mean a lot - of work to ensure that their shared universe will be as cohesive and well thought out as Marvel's, let alone better. Not only does Man of Steel have to be a good stand alone film (and I think it will), it will have to open the doors for elements of the other JLA members and the DCU in general. The Justice League movie will likewise have to explore the characters and give them all enough development and back story without bogging the film down and building towards something more.
And that's without trying to figure out how the biggest cash cow, Batman, fits in to the shared universe.
DC and Warner Bros. basically wasted too much time trying not to "copy" Marvel only for them to realize that shared continuity isn't a bad idea.
Originally posted by juggernaut74
I think the DC cinematic universe is going to flush the Marvel universe down the toilet.
Marvel's/Disney's movies are FAR from perfect. IMHO, Cap, Thor, and even Iron Man 2 were average at best. Iron Man and Hulk were pretty awesome, though. Along with Avengers, of course.
If we get the look of MOS in the JLA (Which Snyder will do, IF he is the director), things are looking up. I'm not going to say DC/WB will be better, but the look will be.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
DC's got a lot - and I mean a lot - of work to ensure that their shared universe will be as cohesive and well thought out as Marvel's, let alone better. Not only does Man of Steel have to be a good stand alone film (and I think it will), it will have to open the doors for elements of the other JLA members and the DCU in general. The Justice League movie will likewise have to explore the characters and give them all enough development and back story without bogging the film down and building towards something more.And that's without trying to figure out how the biggest cash cow, Batman, fits in to the shared universe.
DC and Warner Bros. basically wasted too much time trying not to "copy" Marvel only for them to realize that shared continuity isn't a bad idea.
They've been planning a "shared universe" for quite some time, actually. Yeah, Marvel did it first, but they aren't really copying them in that sense.
Originally posted by Golgo13
They've been planning a "shared universe" for quite some time, actually. Yeah, Marvel did it first, but they aren't really copying them in that sense.
When Marvel first announced their plans for a shared universe, when WB execs and producers were asked about whether or not they would do something similar, they claimed that they had no intention on doing it or "copying" Marvel. Some even went as far as to imply the Avengers would fail...El oh El.
Obviously, after seeing the success of these movies, WB changed their tune when in reality, they shouldn't have been so adamant against it out of fear for being labeled copycats to begin with. Marvel didn't invent shared continuity or crossover movies (certainly not comics).
WB's been struggling for years to build franchises not named "Batman" because they really don't know how to do it. I'm not even sure how that can be argued. I'm all for the success of Man of Steel and comic book movies in general, but I don't for one second think WB's got a master plan to make a great cohesive film universe. If anything, they've got a good single film on their hands at the moment.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
When Marvel first announced their plans for a shared universe, when WB execs and producers were asked about whether or not they would do something similar, they claimed that they had no intention on doing it or "copying" Marvel. Some even went as far as to imply the Avengers would fail...El oh El.Obviously, after seeing the success of these movies, WB changed their tune when in reality, they shouldn't have been so adamant against it out of fear for being labeled copycats to begin with. Marvel didn't invent shared continuity or crossover movies (certainly not comics).
WB's been struggling for years to build franchises not named "Batman" because they really don't know how to do it. I'm not even sure how that can be argued. I'm all for the success of Man of Steel and comic book movies in general, but I don't for one second think WB's got a master plan to make a great cohesive film universe. If anything, they've got a good single film on their hands at the moment.
Plans change on a dime in Hollywood, though. I was talking around the time when Superman Returns hit the scene. The execs at the time had an interest in a shared universe and supposedly, Bryan Singer had interest in a JLA movie.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Plans change on a dime in Hollywood, though. I was talking around the time when Superman Returns hit the scene. The execs at the time had an interest in a shared universe and supposedly, Bryan Singer had interest in a JLA movie.
Plans change for WB a lot, not for Marvel. Marvel wanted to do something ambitious and once they got the overall frame work set up, they did it. WB's been a mess for a while when it comes to superhero projects not named "Batman".
BTW, WB won't be copying Disney/Marvel. I posted a really good article on why it's not a good idea to walk the same path as Disney/Marvel by Comicvine.
http://www.comicvine.com/articles/why-a-justice-league-movie-should-come-out-first/1100-145843/
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Plans change for WB a lot, not for Marvel. Marvel wanted to do something ambitious and once they got the overall frame work set up, they did it. WB's been a mess for a while when it comes to superhero projects not named "Batman".
Plans change a lot in general in the entertainment business. Scripts are rewritten, people are shuffled around, and even big names change.
Originally posted by Golgo13
BTW, WB won't be copying Disney/Marvel. I posted a really good article on why it's not a good idea to walk the same path as Disney/Marvel by Comicvine.http://www.comicvine.com/articles/why-a-justice-league-movie-should-come-out-first/1100-145843/
I know they won't copy the same frame work, but originally, when they were asked about how they felt about the Marvel CU and plans for doing something similar after the success of Iron Man and Incredible Hulk, they more or less attempted to bury the idea in general. Their tune then completely changed around the time of Avengers' release.
If anything, they're flip flopping makes them look like they have no idea what they want in franchises, let alone how to realize them. And I can't blame them too much. When DC has stepped outside its comfort zone, it doesn't do very well.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I know they won't copy the same frame work, but originally, when they were asked about how they felt about the Marvel CU and plans for doing something similar after the success of Iron Man and Incredible Hulk, they more or less attempted to bury the idea in general. Their tune then completely changed around the time of Avengers' release.If anything, they're flip flopping makes them look like they have no idea what they want in franchises, let alone how to realize them. And I can't blame them too much. When DC has stepped outside its comfort zone, it doesn't do very well.
I think that's more due to Harry Potter ending and the combo of how super heroes make money. Remember, WB is NOT in competition with Disney in creating a specific number of super hero movies. They never were, because WB is an all genre studio, which produces more than animation and super hero films. They're sole interest is of course profit anyway they can. WB has a proven record in making more money than any other studio nearly every year and that's not because of the super hero genre.
Now that Disney made some huge moves (Star Wars, of course) and the completion of Harry Potter, WB is of course changing their game plan and it so happens the Super hero genre is getting the spotlight.
People shouldn't get too excited about potential Easter eggs in Man Of Steel that could lead to a shared franchise. Everything the Nolan braintrust is saying is that maybe it will, maybe it won't. They're hedging their bets, waiting to see the fan and wider audience reaction to the whole film. Remember, Superman Returns had some subtle Easter eggs - Gotham City got mentioned in the news montage showing Superman doing good deeds around the world. It didn't amount to anything. DC & Warners are hopeful, but don't have the definite plan Marvel had when they started producing Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk right around the same time, stating these would be part of a shared universe.
Originally posted by roughrider
People shouldn't get too excited about potential Easter eggs in Man Of Steel that could lead to a shared franchise. Everything the Nolan braintrust is saying is that maybe it will, maybe it won't. They're hedging their bets, waiting to see the fan and wider audience reaction to the whole film. Remember, Superman Returns had some subtle Easter eggs - Gotham City got mentioned in the news montage showing Superman doing good deeds around the world. It didn't amount to anything. DC & Warners are hopeful, but don't have the definite plan Marvel had when they started producing Iron Man and The Incredible Hulk right around the same time, stating these would be part of a shared universe.
If they don't do anything after MOS, even if it is a big film, would be a massive disappointment. Snyder really seems to want to take on the project from what he's been saying online. I'm not getting my hopes up, but I will still be disappointing if they don't do anything.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
If Man of Steel fails (Which I hope no), any hopes of creating JLA is gone for quite some time. Even than, if Man of Steel does great, DC has too much against it.
-Green Lantern Failed
-Christian Bale said he doesn't want to come back
-Batman trilogy over
-Horrible marketing
WB is going to reboot Batman, so mentioning Christian Bale is pointless. And just because GL failed, doesn't mean they can't make a JLA movie. Hopefully we get an announcement in a few weeks (According to Robinov)/