Consensus on being born gay?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

I just didn't understand this:

"ah i see. i dont recall that response in the pattern, as i must confess that witnessing the pure cognitive dissonance of the previously predicted reply forces me to ignore the rest of it. "

next time ask someone to clarify their statement. i'll try to explain it again so you can understand.

person 1: homosexuality is chosen/wrong because it does not occur in nature.
(nature=guide for morality)

person 2: actually, it occurs all the time. (lists various species )

person 1: so? are you suggesting we should imitate depraved wilderness animals?
(nature≠guide for morality) (nature=guide for immorality)

Originally posted by focus4chumps
next time ask someone to clarify their statement. i'll try to explain it again so you can understand.

person 1: homosexuality is chosen/wrong because it does not occur in nature.
[b](nature=guide for morality)

person 2: actually, it occurs all the time. (lists various species )

person 1: so? are you suggesting we should imitate depraved wilderness animals?
(nature≠guide for morality) (nature=guide for immorality) [/B]

Sorry, but you are proposing that we be ignorant. We look at nature for analogs all the time in life. We are part of nature. From an outside point of view we are wild humans.

person 2: are you really that stupid?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Sorry, but you are proposing that we be ignorant. We look at nature for analogs all the time in life. We are part of nature. From an outside point of view we are wild humans.

person 2: are you really that stupid?

i was proposing nothing. it was an observation on the typical debating pattern of others.

again you're arguing against....well i dont know what, but you have yet to contradict or debate a single thing i said, yet you combat me with such conviction. how do you do that?

Originally posted by focus4chumps
i was proposing nothing. it was an observation on the typical debating pattern of others.

again you're arguing against....well i dont know what, but you have yet to contradict or debate a single thing i said, yet you combat me with such conviction. how do you do that?

I don't care about the typical debating pattern of others. That is not part of the thread and is off topic. If you want to talk about that, then make a thread about it.

Do you want to debate the topic, or just be random?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't care about the typical debating pattern of others. That is not part of the thread and is off topic. If you want to talk about that, then make a thread about it.

Do you want to debate the topic, or just be random?

my observation was perfectly relevant to the discussion. now you are barking orders and seem to be under the impression that you have a position of authority to silence others. if you feel i have broken forum rules, i suggest you report me *shrug*

Originally posted by focus4chumps
my observation was perfectly relevant to the discussion. now you are barking orders and seem to be under the impression that you have a position of authority to silence others. if you feel i have broken forum rules, i suggest you report me *shrug*

You are still not talking about the topic. If you need to explain something to me, not topic related, then please use PM.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are still not talking about the topic. If you need to explain something to me, not topic related, then please use PM.

you asked me to clarify my observation, then are angry because i clarified it.

ok, so i'd really like to return to the topic, please. it obviously interests me and you're spoiling it with this nonsensical combativeness. no need to use the PM's. but thanks.

I was wondering if anyone realized that babies are capable of becoming physically aroused before conception? Physical sensations, or feelings are not thoughts after all.

During an examination, a fetus was said to have been masturbating in the womb, which is a perfectly natural thing to do. Children have had sex at as early as 2 years of age, or fondled each other. I believe that homosexuality is a choice, because the concept of sexual attraction would not exist in a new born. However the pleasure centers of the brain would be perfectly intact.

Can a billion people be wrong? I would think so, if they were not right. amirite?

Originally posted by Stoic
I believe that homosexuality is a choice, because the concept of sexual attraction would not exist in a new born.

Holy non-sequiters Batman!

Originally posted by Robtard

You're talking about choice of action. We're both straight, we can choose to sleep or not sleep with women; we didn't choose that we're sexually attracted to women though. Why do you assume that homosexuals choose to be sexually attracted to the same sex, when you didn't choose to be sexually attracted to women?

I wasn't avoiding answering your questions or trying to side-track the thread...I just don't understand the double-sides of your statement.

Yes, we can choose to sleep (have sex) with women BUT we're not RESPONSIBLE for being attracted to women...that's what your implying?

So we're all born sexually active but indecisive about our sexual leanings?

All I can say is that as a child reaching puberty & becoming more sexually aware of my body...I was naturally attracted to girls/women. It never crossed my mind or interest to extend that attraction to the same gender.

You're implying that at some stage in our childhood we had to choose?

So at what point in your growing up did you have to choose your sexuality?
Did your parents sit you down & have "that talk"? Was it a school project? Or maybe a consensus thing where a govt. official came knocking at your door?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Holy non-sequiters Batman!

Just going by the OP, and not what was being discussed before my post. nah mean?

Originally posted by Robtard

Anyhow, question stands. If you didn't choose to be sexually attracted to women, why do you think homosexuals choose to be sexually attracted to the same sex? [/B]

See, this is where your question contradicts itself...

I DID choose to be attracted to girls/women growing up. Therefore I see no reason why another person can not choose to be attracted to the same sex. It's called free-will.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
See, this is where your question contradicts itself...

I DID choose to be attracted to girls/women growing up. Therefore I see no reason why another person can not choose to be attracted to the same sex. It's called free-will.

Actually there is no one way to answer that question, because sexual attraction is too variable. You could attempt to make a list of catalyst's that brought about such and such attraction, but odds are high that you would miss many of the reasons for every single case that exists.

All I can say is that as a child reaching puberty & becoming more sexually aware of my body...I was naturally attracted to girls/women. It never crossed my mind or interest to extend that attraction to the same gender.

I DID choose to be attracted to girls/women growing up. Therefore I see no reason why another person can not choose to be attracted to the same sex. It's called free-will.

Originally posted by Stoic
Actually there is no one way to answer that question, because sexual attraction is too variable. You could attempt to make a list of catalyst's that brought about such and such attraction, but odds are high that you would miss many of the reasons for every single case that exists.

But that's the whole point...WE CAN ONLY speak for our own individual selves.

PERSONALLY, there was no catalyst, there was no variables,there was no confusion or indecisions...I simply, naturally found myself attracted to the opposite sex rather than the same.

This entire thread started with a consensus based on being born gay.
I belief is no, you're not born gay or straight & that you choose your own sexuality.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Holy non-sequiters Batman!

I actually get what he is saying: it is a bastardized and mutated form of what I was saying.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
See, this is where your question contradicts itself...

I DID choose to be attracted to girls/women growing up. Therefore I see no reason why another person can not choose to be attracted to the same sex. It's called free-will.

thats an interesting angle. most in the holy-straight camp are saying that heterosexuality is hardwired while homosexuality is a choice of deviancy. not sure if you'll be a welcome ambassador to your cause.

just to be fair, we actually have no idea if a newborn has any sexual identity to speak of. research, though incredibly limited and controversial, does suggest children have much more elaborate sexual identities than one would think given our cultural attitudes toward them. it may be more that there is no effective way to test infant sexuality or for them to communicate it than it just flat out not existing.

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
PERSONALLY, there was no catalyst, there was no variables,there was no confusion or indecisions...I simply, naturally found myself attracted to the opposite sex rather than the same.

This entire thread started with a consensus based on being born gay.
I belief is no, you're not born gay or straight & that you choose your own sexuality.

hahahaha, I was going to copy the "choice" quote from above to point out the inconsistency.... but you have it all in this single post... Jesus ****....

anyways, obvious troll is obvious

Originally posted by dadudemon
I actually get what he is saying: it is a bastardized and mutated form of what I was saying.

You were saying that because infants have no sexuality it follows that adults who have gone through years of neuro-physiological and neuro-chemical changes choose their sexuality?

I'm pretty sure you never said anything like that because they're two completely unrelated thoughts.