Consensus on being born gay?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I wasn't avoiding answering your questions or trying to side-track the thread...I just don't understand the double-sides of your statement.

Yes, we can choose to sleep (have sex) with women BUT we're not RESPONSIBLE for being attracted to women...that's what your implying?

So we're all born sexually active but indecisive about our sexual leanings?

All I can say is that as a child reaching puberty & becoming more sexually aware of my body...I was naturally attracted to girls/women. It never crossed my mind or interest to extend that attraction to the same gender.

You're implying that at some stage in our childhood we had to choose?

So at what point in your growing up did you have to choose your sexuality?
Did your parents sit you down & have "that talk"? Was it a school project? Or maybe a consensus thing where a govt. official came knocking at your door?

Originally posted by Esau Cairn
See, this is where your question contradicts itself...

I DID choose to be attracted to girls/women growing up. Therefore I see no reason why another person can not choose to be attracted to the same sex. It's called free-will.

LoL, dude. You're a clown.

I never implied that sexual attraction is a choice, I clearly said tht my attraction to women wasn't something I picked; who I do have sex with is.

You then go in to say the same thing: "I was naturally attracted to girls/women. It never crossed my mind or interest to extend that attraction to the same gender.", Implying you didn't choose to find females sexually attracted, it just was. Which begs the question, why can't homosexuals be born "naturally" attracted to the same sex.

Then in the second post, you do a 180 and post: "I DID choose to be attracted to girls/women growing up."

So which is it?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You were saying that because infants have no sexuality it follows that adults who have gone through years of neuro-physiological and neuro-chemical changes choose their sexuality?

I'm pretty sure you never said anything like that because they're two completely unrelated thoughts.

No. I said we are born asexual and because of a bunch of shit, we almost always develop some sort of sexuality. He was saying something similar...albeit a bastardized and mutated form of what I was saying.

And, yes, I do believe some individuals literally choose to be homosexual. Some make the decision, "You know what...I am going to try out homosexuality for a while." My experience has been that those individuals are rare.

Edit - I notice that the tone of KMC, as of late, is becoming more and more insulting. When I first joined, calling someone a clown or cursing at someone for their supposed idiocy was a warnable and bannable offense: just ask Chillmeistergen. TBH, I like KMC better, this way.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Edit - I notice that the tone of KMC, as of late, is becoming more and more insulting. When I first joined, calling someone a clown or cursing at someone for their supposed idiocy was a warnable and bannable offense: just ask Chillmeistergen.

maybe you should report them.

Originally posted by focus4chumps
maybe you should report them.

Reported for trolling.

Originally posted by dadudemon

Edit - I notice that the tone of KMC, as of late, is becoming more and more insulting. When I first joined, calling someone a clown or cursing at someone for their supposed idiocy was a warnable and bannable offense: just ask Chillmeistergen. TBH, I like KMC better, this way.

To be fair though, when one is clearly acting a clown, it's expected.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No. I said we are born asexual and because of a bunch of shit, we almost always develop some sort of sexuality. He was saying something similar...albeit a bastardized and mutated form of what I was saying.

He used "we are born asexual" as a reason for why people chose their sexuality. There's no connection between these things. The person you are as a newborn and the person you are twenty years later are completely different. It's like saying "some people have eleven fingers" therefore homosexuality is a choice.

A lot of the shit that causes our sexuality to develop is physiological. Its not a coincidence that people start having sexuality around puberty.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, yes, I do believe some individuals literally choose to be homosexual. Some make the decision, "You know what...I am going to try out homosexuality for a while." My experience has been that those individuals are rare.

As in "from now on I'm going to have gay sex" or as in "from now on I'm going to desire gay sex."?

There's a world of difference between those.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
As in "from now on I'm going to have gay sex" or as in "from now on I'm going to desire gay sex."?

There's a world of difference between those.

I agree that there is a difference but there definitely is not a "world of difference."

However, that does not represent what I stated.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Some make the decision, "You know what...I am going to try out homosexuality for a while." My experience has been that those individuals are rare.

at some point any practicing homosexual made this decision...

Originally posted by inimalist
at some point any practicing homosexual made this decision...

GASP! Blasphemy!

Most of them were born that way and have "always been gay."

Originally posted by dadudemon
GASP! Blasphemy!

Most of them were born that way and have "always been gay."

without some privy to the internal subconscious drives within each individual, how could you possibly differentiate between the two options?

are the concepts of homosexuality and homosexual activity being confused here?

Originally posted by dadudemon
GASP! Blasphemy!

Most of them were born that way and have "always been gay."

You've never spoken with a homosexual that has said "I tried straight-sex first"?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I agree that there is a difference but there definitely is not a "world of difference."

However, that does not represent what I stated.

Then I'd like you to elaborate on what you meant. Are you referring to people who experiment with various sexualities?

I'd argue that there is a huge difference between doing an action and wanting to do an action.

You choose to be gay by choice not becauwe you can't help it.It is as much as a choice as anything else.As a baby you dont even think of that choice.

not sure if trolling or serious

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
You choose to be gay by choice not becauwe you can't help it.It is as much as a choice as anything else.As a baby you dont even think of that choice.

Can you tell me the thought processes you went through when choosing to be heterosexual? At what age exactly did you decide to be hetero and find males sexually attracted. What were the factors in not finding females sexually attractive?

unfortunately, serious

Originally posted by Robtard
Can you tell me the thought processes you went through when choosing to be heterosexual? At what age exactly did you decide to be hetero and find males sexually attracted. What were the factors in not finding females sexually attractive?

as for me...i flipped a coin. didnt everyone?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I'd argue that there is a huge difference between doing an action and wanting to do an action.

I'd argue, based on the "veto" study on free-will, that you're drawing a semantic line that does not seem exist. Granted, that does not extend to complex human behavior, but it does seem like some things can extend in that direction.

But now I'm just being facetious.

Here is the better question: is wanting to do an action and not doing it really and truly wanting to do an action? Or is that more like "that seems like something nice, but I do not truly want to do it."

Originally posted by inimalist
without some privy to the internal subconscious drives within each individual, how could you possibly differentiate between the two options?

I would not limit it to just the subconscious. I would venture a guess and say the majority of "I don't know" people think about these things for thousands of hours. I feel it is society that forces them to have to make a choice, sometimes. Which is sad.

But isn't the implications of your questions the point of my smartass comment? The implications of my statement are a two-way street: it applies equally to both hetero and homosexual orientations, imo.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, dude. You're a clown.

I never implied that sexual attraction is a choice, I clearly said tht my attraction to women wasn't something I picked; who I do have sex with is.

You then go in to say the same thing: "I was naturally attracted to girls/women. It never crossed my mind or interest to extend that attraction to the same gender.", Implying you didn't choose to find females sexually attracted, it just was. Which begs the question, why can't homosexuals be born "naturally" attracted to the same sex.

Then in the second post, you do a 180 and post: "I DID choose to be attracted to girls/women growing up."

So which is it?

I think you're just arguing on semantics now. Whether I use the term, "naturally attracted" or "DID choose" I mean the same exact thing.
You're stating your attraction to women WASN'T something you picked... (your words, not mine)

So please explain who picked it for you? At what point in your life did you have to choose or decide?