Originally posted by Esau Cairn
I think you're just arguing on semantics now. Whether I use the term, "naturally attracted" or "DID choose" I mean the same exact thing.
You're stating your attraction to women WASN'T something you picked... (your words, not mine)So please explain who picked it for you? At what point in your life did you have to choose or decide?
You're flipping back and forth between two things that are opposites and now insisting they're the same thing, when they're clearly not.
Answer to your question: Might as well ask who picked my eye-color or who picked that I like the taste of oranges a lot, but don't care for grapefruit; what a stupid question. I don't know why I'm sexually attracted to women, it just is for as long as I can remember. At no point in my life did I have a neutral(for lack of a better word) sexual attraction when my sexuality manifested and I weighed male to female sexual attraction and picked females, to my recollection. As I said before, I don't think sexual-attraction is a "choice", you do.
Please explain when you made the choice to be sexually attracted to women? Which method(s) did you use in ruling that women and not men were sexually attracted to you? Since you're saying sexual-attraction was a "choice" for you.
Originally posted by Robtard
You're flipping back and forth between two things that are opposites and now insisting they're the same thing, when they're clearly not.Answer to your question: Might as well ask who picked my eye-color or who picked that I like the taste of oranges a lot, but don't care for grapefruit; what a stupid question. I don't know why I'm sexually attracted to women, it just is for as long as I can remember. At no point in my life did I have a neutral(for lack of a better word) sexual attraction when my sexuality manifested and I weighed male to female sexual attraction and picked females, to my recollection. As I said before, I don't think sexual-attraction is a "choice", you do.
Please explain when you made the choice to be sexually attracted to women? Which method(s) did you use in ruling that women and not men were sexually attracted to you? Since you're saying sexual-attraction was a "choice" for you.
Ok...I'm going to concede that we both don't see eye to eye on this topic & the more we debate the more contradictory things are becoming.
Yes, I believe sexual attraction is a choice & no one is born gay...you believe the opposite. I'm willing to leave it at that.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
Ok...I'm going to concede that we both don't see eye to eye on this topic & the more we debate the more contradictory things are becoming.
Yes, I believe sexual attraction is a choice & no one is born gay...you believe the opposite. I'm willing to leave it at that.
I've yet to contradict myself.
So I answered your questions and you return the action with dodging mine.
Originally posted by Robtard
Please explain when you made the choice to be sexually attracted to women? Which method(s) did you use in ruling that women and not men were sexually attracted to you? Since you're saying sexual-attraction was a "choice" for you.
How can I answer this when you've contradicted yourself once again?
First you ask when I made a choice to be sexually attracted to women...then you turn it around to state what methods I used in ruling why women & not men WERE ATTRACTED TO ME.
Can you not see the confusion in your post?
If you truly want an answer then it would be exactly as you stated, "I don't know why I'm sexually attracted to women, it just is for as long as I can remember." Unquote.
However this has no implication IMO that people are born gay.
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
How can I answer this when you've contradicted yourself once again?First you ask when I made a choice to be sexually attracted to women...then you turn it around to state what methods I used in ruling why women & not men WERE ATTRACTED TO ME.
Can you not see the confusion in your post?
If you truly want an answer then it would be exactly as you stated, "I don't know why I'm sexually attracted to women, it just is for as long as I can remember." Unquote.
However this has no implication IMO that people are born gay.
There's no contradiction on my part. That's your baggage.
Nice, trying to take what I said out of context, I'm asking solely about your choices. You said sexual attraction is a choice and one you made, so me asking "When did you made the choice" and "how did you go about making that choice" is no contradiction. I'm asking you to support a claim you made.
If you're saying "you don't know", then how can you say you made the choice? You're dancing around the question, cos you can't support your "I believe sexual attraction is a choice" with an answer that supports "choice".
See, Rob I'm walking away from this thread simply becos neither you or I seem unable to make sense of each others' stance...plus your rather annoying ploy of trying to demean posters who don't agree with you.
Lastly your quote,"...says the probably troll, as several people have been openly saying & warning me about..." Unquote.
That's hilarious. Seems your counting skills is just as good as your debating. Symm Chaos made 2 posts assuming I was trolling, however in your reasoning that equates to "SEVERAL PEOPLE openly saying & warning (you) about..."
See how you & facts don't seem to get along?
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
See, Rob I'm walking away from this thread simply becos neither you or I seem unable to make sense of each others' stance...plus your rather annoying ploy of trying to demean posters who don't agree with you.Lastly your quote,"...says the probably troll, as several people have been openly saying & warning me about..." Unquote.
That's hilarious. Seems your counting skills is just as good as your debating. Symm Chaos made 2 posts assuming I was trolling, however in your reasoning that equates to "SEVERAL PEOPLE openly saying & warning (you) about..."
See how you & facts don't seem to get along?
I said you were a troll
Originally posted by Esau Cairn
See, Rob I'm walking away from this thread simply becos neither you or I seem unable to make sense of each others' stance...plus your rather annoying ploy of trying to demean posters who don't agree with you.Lastly your quote,"...says the probably troll, as several people have been openly saying & warning me about..." Unquote.
That's hilarious. Seems your counting skills is just as good as your debating. Symm Chaos made 2 posts assuming I was trolling, however in your reasoning that equates to "SEVERAL PEOPLE openly saying & warning (you) about..."
See how you & facts don't seem to get along?
Walk away, no problem, but don't make stuff up; keep a little dignity, man. I understand your position, you think sexual-attraction is a choice, you just can't support that claim, as seen. Hence your clown-tactics. Demean others? Really now, says the guy who first tried to make it personal early in by laying in false accusations. Nice reversal of blame, that.
I was off by one person to be 'several', so I should have said "a couple of people". MY BAD MAN!
The facts are you can't support your claim with a sensible answer, as repeatedly seen. Bye now; no hard feelings.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I do not think Esau Cairn is a troll. And I think all of you do not actually think he's a troll: at worst, you thinks he's a prick/jerk/meanie. But you do not genuinely think he's an internet troll.I think the conversation is dead, as well.
He said he didn't draw a distinction between choosing and not choosing. That's a person who just wants to argue.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
He said he didn't draw a distinction between choosing and not choosing. That's a person who just wants to argue.
Y'see this is how far away from the topic that started as a consensus on being born gay.
I stated from the very beginning of my posts that I didn't believe people are born gay....BASED on my 20 years of running a business within the gay community of Sydney & talking & dealing with gays & lesbians on a daily basis.
Yet the arguments/debate between Rob & I have focussed on how I chose/ decided on being straight...what methods I used to determine my decision. I totally agreed with Rob's answer when I turned the same questions back at him. I understood how he choose to be straight & said yes, that's how I felt about determining my sexuality too. However my agreeing just doesn't seem to be good enough as we can all see by this debate dragging on its carcass.