Mara Jade vs. Darth Sidious

Originally posted by Existentialist
That's not elaboration, that's nonsense. You apparently believe that the Reaper and Nihilus operate with different natures and on different scales. You are expected to provide evidence for your claim and expound upon it with rational argument. You're doing neither and expecting everyone to concur with your opinions, which is silly.

Different cures indicate different natures.

And the fact that some drains can kill whole worlds in moments, while others have to do it over decades, indicates scale.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
Nihilius completelt drains Katarr compared to Sidious slowly draining Byss over years.

Dooku's Force lightning put Savage Opress on his ass and made his skin smoke; Sidious and Bane have reduced people to ash. Does that mean Dooku was using a different type of Force lightning because the application or extent weren't identical?

Originally posted by Existentialist
Dooku's Force lightning put Savage Opress on his ass and made his skin smoke; Sidious and Bane have reduced people to ash. Does that mean Dooku was using a different type of Force lightning because the application or extent weren't identical?

Simply that more potency is placed in the application.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Different cures indicate different natures.

And the fact that some drains can kill whole worlds in moments, while others have to do it over decades, indicates scale.

Cure is a term best applied for your venoms. Let's stick to the drains.
The difference in the time it takes to kill isn't necessarily indicative of anything other than intensity or skill, not difference in technique. I refer you to the gamut of reactions we have seen of characters under assault from Force lightning: some are thrown aside, the flesh of others smoke, some are physically transformed, and others are reduced to ash. That doesn't mean the attack is inherently different.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
Simply that more potency is placed in the application.

Bingo.
Nihilus sought to consume life wholesale to satisfy his hunger; Palpatine sought to consume life at a measured pace to gather energy for dark side experiments.

The difference in potency doesn't mean that the attacks differ.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Different cures indicate different natures.

Perhaps. But just because canon doesn't display the defense being used against it doesn't mean it would be ineffective. Are we to assume that a lightsaber is unable to block emerald lightning because it is never displayed doing so despite the fact that is shares many similarities with force lightning? No.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
And the fact that some drains can kill whole worlds in moments, while others have to do it over decades, indicates scale.

Different scale and time frames do not indicate different powers.

Originally posted by Existentialist
Bingo.
Nihilus sought to consume life wholesale to satisfy his hunger; Palpatine sought to consume life at a measured pace to gather energy for dark side experiments.

The difference in potency doesn't mean that the attacks differ.

Yeah, it kind of does, As you pointed out, they were aiming to do different attacks, therefore the attacks differ.

Dark Reaper: The Dark Reaper worked by harvesting the Force using the Force Harvester, a device that killed anything within range by draining its Force energy and focusing it into beams that dealt massive damage to any object.

Method: Drains Force energy

Killing Power: Drains Force Energy/Destructive Beam

Cure: A technique

Darth Nihilus: A walking Force Wound that severed the Force-connections in people, stunning them instantly and killing them a second later.

Method: Severing Force-connection

Killing Power: Severing Force Connection

Cure: The Nature of being a Force Wound

Originally posted by ares834
Perhaps. But just because canon doesn't display the defense being used against it doesn't mean it would be ineffective. Are we to assume that a lightsaber is unable to block emerald lightning because it is never displayed doing so despite the fact that is shares many similarities with force lightning? No.
Different scale and time frames do not indicate different powers.

I understand you're butthurt about losing the Force Lightning argument - but now we're discussing Drains. 😎

Originally posted by Master_Galen
Yeah, it kind of does, As you pointed out, they were aiming to do different attacks, therefore the attacks differ.

No, it kind of doesn't. The attacks aren't different because one character applied more potency than another anymore than Dooku and Sidious are using two different attacks because one only knocked people back whereas the other reduced people to ash. If two Honda Accords are cruising down the highway and one travels at 40mph and the other at 60, one doesn't cease to be a Honda Accord.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
[B]
[B]Darth Nihilus: A walking Force Wound that severed the Force-connections in people, stunning them instantly and killing them a second later.

Method: Severing Force-connection

Killing Power: Severing Force Connection

Cure: The Nature of being a Force Wound [/B]

Nihilius does not sever the force from his victioms, he just straight up drains them of ther life force. Force Sever is a whole 'nother ability.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
[B]Dark Reaper: The Dark Reaper worked by harvesting the Force using the Force Harvester, a device that killed anything within range by draining its Force energy and focusing it into beams that dealt massive damage to any object.

Method: Drains Force energy

Killing Power: Drains Force Energy/Destructive Beam

Cure: A technique

Darth Nihilus: A walking Force Wound that severed the Force-connections in people, stunning them instantly and killing them a second later.

Method: Severing Force-connection

Killing Power: Severing Force Connection

Cure: The Nature of being a Force Wound [/B]

Hmm, so you're telling me I won't be able to find a canonical source saying Nihilus drained or leeched energy from his victims and only that he severed their Force connections? excellent

Originally posted by Master_Galen
Nihilius does not sever the force from his victioms, he just straight up drains them of ther life force. Force Sever is a whole 'nother ability.

Well, he does both, but I kind of figured people already knew that. 😛

Originally posted by Existentialist
No, it kind of doesn't. The attacks aren't different because one character applied more potency than another anymore than Dooku and Sidious are using two different attacks because one only knocked people back whereas the other reduced people to ash. If two Honda Accords are cruising down the highway and one travels at 40mph and the other at 60, one doesn't cease to be a Honda Accord.

The attacks are different, with diferent desired outcomes. Both use the same ability, i am not arguing that they don't. However the attacks themselves in the way they are performed does differ.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Well, he does both, but I kind of figured people already knew that. 😛

Nihilius Force Severs Traya, not all of his victims.

Originally posted by Master_Galen
Nihilius Force Severs Traya, not all of his victims.

Well he severs, and then eats the Force he's severed, typically.

Anyway I think we concluded the difference in the nature of Drains - and Ares is off icing his butthurt ass in a tub of ice, so.. 😛

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Anyway I think we concluded the difference in the nature of Drains - and Ares is off icing his butthurt ass in a tub of ice, so.. 😛

No, he found the paint.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Well, he does both, but I kind of figured people already knew that. 😛

As proven before the Dark reaper also strips the force from its victims.

Originally posted by ybrotes_Sargon
"The ancient Jedi Master warned that the knowledge he would pass to Anakin would let him resist the [b]effects of the Force-stripping Harvester and the Dark Reaper it activated, but it would perhaps give him too much power." [/B]

Originally posted by ares834
But if Nihilus drains and the Dark Reaper..then that must mean Emerald Lightning is unblockable...and I...uh...No...no....I did not lose....I will not let you win...Uh..Force lightning...Drains...Darth Emerald Lightning....Dark Electric Judgement...uh you have no proof....NO...NO!!!!fearweep

Originally posted by Existentialist

The difference in potency doesn't mean that the attacks differ.