Originally posted by Battlemaster
And Darth Nihilus placed his soul into the Dark Reaper when he died, retaining his consciousness.
Cute.
How about you actually attempt to refute the argument. Both Nihilus's and the Dark Reaper's drain have the same effect. Through the use of your own logic they would then be the same power.
Originally posted by ares834
Cute.How about you actually attempt to refute the argument. Both Nihilus's and the Dark Reaper's drain have the same effect. Through the use of your own logic they would then be the same power.
Elements of Canon dictate they aren't exactly the same - that Nihilus's drain apart from having a slightly different effect on it's targets, also has one Canonically-established immunity to it - that being a Force Wound.
The Dark Reaper on the other hand has a different form of immunity - that which comes from a technique - instead of a Condition.
And I know I'm cute!! 😄
Originally posted by Battlemaster
All drains aren't the same - otherwise we'd have hundreds of Sith over eons - Draining planet after planet.But all drains aren't the same - so it doesn't work that way. 😉
That's like saying all telekinesis[es?] aren't the same, otherwise we'd have hundreds of Sith over the eons hurling capital ships instead of rocks. The logic doesn't follow. Even if all Force drains were canonically the same, it doesn't mean that the degree to which they are applied would be even. Some would be prodigies or savants and excel at it due to natural skill or training whereas others wouldn't.
Originally posted by Existentialist
That's like saying all telekinesis[es?] aren't the same, otherwise we'd have hundreds of Sith over the eons hurling capital ships instead of rocks. The logic doesn't follow. Even if all Force drains were canonically the same, it doesn't mean that the degree to which they are applied would be even. Some would be prodigies or savants and excel at it due to natural skill or training whereas others wouldn't.
The nature of Drains aren't the same, as I have proven. 😖mart:
Originally posted by Battlemaster
All drains aren't the same - otherwise we'd have hundreds of Sith over eons - Draining planet after planet.But all drains aren't the same - so it doesn't work that way. 😉
Or the others can't use it on the same scale as Nihilus. Kreia for example, never displayed it on such a grand scale. Furthermore, the KotOR 2 dev has stated that the ancient Sith knew the technique but did not use it for fear of its effects.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
The nature of Drains aren't the same, as I have proven. 😖mart:
First, you didn't address the criticism of your logic, you merely dodged the point.
Second, claiming you proved it and actually doing so are two entirely different things. Ares could just as easily say he proved you wrong and he'd be just as convincing (actually, probably more) and we're at an impasse and incessant trolling ensues.
So how about you make a cogent, concise argument for why the drains aren't the same other than "no u i win!"
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Elements of Canon dictate they aren't exactly the same - that Nihilus's drain apart from having a slightly different effect on it's targets, also has one Canonically-established immunity to it - that being a [B]Force Wound.The Dark Reaper on the other hand has a different form of immunity - that which comes from a technique - instead of a Condition.
And I know I'm cute!! 😄 [/B]
So cute...
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Elements of Canon dictate they aren't exactly the same - that Nihilus's drain apart from having a slightly different effect on it's targets, also has one Canonically-established immunity to it - that being a [B]Force Wound.The Dark Reaper on the other hand has a different form of immunity - that which comes from a technique - instead of a Condition.[/B]
That's a pretty weak argument. By the same logic, canonically it's never displayed that emerald lightning can be blocked. Yet, force lightning is blocked through various techniques. Therefore, the two must be different powers.
Originally posted by ares834
That's a pretty weak argument. By the same logic, canonically it's never displayed that emerald lightning can be blocked. Yet, force lightning is blocked through various techniques. Therefore, the two must be different powers.
You lost your argument about Force lightning. 😎
- We're talking about Drains, now. 😉
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Different scales and natures.
Elaborate.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
You lost your argument about Force lightning. 😎- We're talking about Drains, now. 😉
I'm merely applying you're logic to a different power. If you admit that the drains are the same then I'll take you're argument about the lightnings as legitimate. Otherwise you are just using double standards.
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Elements of Canon dictate they aren't exactly the same - that Nihilus's drain apart from having a slightly different effect on it's targets, also has one Canonically-established immunity to it - that being a [B]Force Wound.The Dark Reaper on the other hand has a different form of immunity - that which comes from a technique - instead of a Condition.
And I know I'm cute!! 😄 [/B]
Originally posted by Battlemaster
Rattlesnake Venom and Black Widow Venom - are both Venom.But they both have different effects to a degree - and different cures.
That's not elaboration, that's nonsense. You apparently believe that the Reaper and Nihilus operate with different natures and on different scales. You are expected to provide evidence for your claim and expound upon it with rational argument. You're doing neither and expecting everyone to concur with your opinions, which is silly.