Originally posted by Galan007
a.) As far as I know, without Moondragon's help, there's no evidence that Thanos would have been able to meet with/fight Galactus on the astral plane at all.
b.) You sure that Galactus>Xavier..?Charles: "One psychic command and I could have made EVERY ONE of them go to sleep."
See Galactus in the background? He was obviously one of the characters Xavier was referring to in the above comment. 😖hifty:
Thanos being able to take someone to the astral plane should be without question... He's taken Surfer there a few times.. That is of no issue. Him making moondragon useful is like the same reason he use tech to teleport. He can and has done so via his natural eternal abilities.. Tech just makes it easier cause it requires less concetration.
Yes I'm positive of that... Xavier on two seperate occasions has tried to get into Galactus mind and had no luck. Him making a blanket statement of bravado doesn't trump what we've seen on panel.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiOr is it possible that Thanos needed Moondragon's assistance, because he'd never confronted anyone near Galactus' level on the mental/astral plane before?
Thanos being able to take someone to the astral plane should be without question... He's taken Surfer there a few times.. That is of no issue. Him making moondragon useful is like the same reason he use tech to teleport. He can and has done so via his natural eternal abilities.. Tech just makes it easier cause it requires less concetration.
I dunno, seems to me that if Thanos wouldn't have needed Moondragon to help him, he wouldn't have asked for her assistance in the first place. /shrug
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiWasn't being serious. none
Yes I'm positive of that... Xavier on two seperate occasions has tried to get into Galactus mind and had no luck. Him making a blanket statement of bravado doesn't trump what we've seen on panel.
Originally posted by NihilistI dunno about that. Especially given this statement...
I was always under the impression Moondragon was there only to create the place Galactus and Thanos met on, so Thanos could concentrate all his tp on Galactus..hence the part about the pre arranged destination.
"Thanos parleys with Galactus through the services of the telepathic former Infinity Watch member, Moondragon."
-Parley-
par·ley/ˈpärlē/
Noun: A conference between opposing sides in a dispute, esp. a discussion of terms for an armistice.
Verb: Hold a conference with the opposing side to discuss terms.
Synonyms: noun. negotiation - palaver - discussion - conference - talk
Personally, I think she was boosting Thanos' own telepathic abilities to some extent. Either way, Thanos attempts were easily thwarted by Galactus... It's not as though Thanos successfully did anything to G's mind. /shrug
Originally posted by Galan007To me it still says she was setting up the whole place they met in.
I dunno about that. Especially given this statement..."Thanos parleys with Galactus through the services of the telepathic former Infinity Watch member, Moondragon."
[b]-Parley-
par·ley/ˈpärlē/
Noun: A conference between opposing sides in a dispute, esp. a discussion of terms for an armistice.
Verb: Hold a conference with the opposing side to discuss terms.
Synonyms: noun. negotiation - palaver - discussion - conference - talkPersonally, I think she was boosting Thanos. Either way, Thanos attempts were easily thwarted by Galactus... It's not as though Thanos successfully did anything to G's mind. /shrug [/B]
Originally posted by Galan007He read Gamora's mind whilst she was in another timeline/dimension.
Given the above statement that I just quoted/defined, I think I'll have to disagree.Anyway, does Thanos have any solo feats that put his offensive telepathic power above Emma amped by Cerebra?
He beat MD in a mind war( that was the same era she was enslaving planets telepathically)
He implanted false images in Fallen ones mind from the otherside of space.
Whilst weak he broke out of a mental lock by Cosmo,MD and Mantis
A gave a long list to Long pig ages ago, il try and dig it up.
Originally posted by NihilistCool stuff. However, I still have my doubts.
He read Gamora's mind whilst she was in another timeline/dimension.He beat MD in a mind war( that was the same era she was enslaving planets telepathically)
He implanted false images in Fallen ones mind from the otherside of space.
Whilst weak he broke out of a mental lock by Cosmo,MD and Mantis
A gave a long list to Long pig ages ago, il try and dig it up.
By herself, Emma is one of the most powerful telepaths in Marvel canon--yet when she attempted to access Kuurth's mind, she was being amped by Cerebra:
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Cerebra amps the psychic senses of its wearer to the "tenth power":
This is obviously much different than multiplying a given number by 10.
Example:
2x10=20.
2^10=1,024.
HUGE upgrade.
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Anyway, despite this gargantuan amp, Emma was still unable to affect Kuurth's mind whatsoever:
"Unstoppable."
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So given the above, does Thanos really have any solo feats that incontrovertibly place his telepathy above Emma's amped by Cerebra? Because not even her telepathy, amped to the 10th power, was enough to even begin breaching into Kuurth's mind...
Originally posted by Galan007
Or is it possible that Thanos needed Moondragon's assistance, because he'd never confronted anyone near Galactus' level on the mental/astral plane before?I dunno, seems to me that if Thanos wouldn't have needed Moondragon to help him, he wouldn't have asked for her assistance in the first place. /shrug
Wasn't being serious. none
Ooo damn I missed the joking part... give me a sign.. ANY sign!! Dammit galan lol.
I suppose that is a possibility but it's also possible he was just making her useful. Like when Batman has robbin around and has hm take care of stuff for him.. Doesn't mean he couldn't do it himself, but if you don't make them useful what good are they? Same thing here imo since we've seen Thanos by himself take people to the astral plane..
Originally posted by Galan007How does the above statement mean she boosted him in anyway? I didn't see any narration that even suggested she boosted him at all. All she did is just like I said... She set up the meeting in the astral plane.. How do you get that means she boosted him?
Given the above statement that I just quoted/defined, I think I'll have to disagree.Anyway, does Thanos have any solo feats that put his offensive telepathic power above Emma amped by Cerebra?
Also, I don't get the whole he didn't do much to galactus... we see him in shock and scared Thanos even got as far as he did. Sure, he was able to fight it off.. but we seen Galactus via depiction almost completly entangled by Thanos. Again, this is much better than Odin, Xavier and a host of others has done. So, I'm not sure how that is not impressive.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiIt is a very ambiguous scene, and can certainly be interpreted multiple ways--and ambiguous scenes don't make for great evidence/proof.
How does the above statement mean she boosted him in anyway? I didn't see any narration that even suggested she boosted him at all. All she did is just like I said... She set up the meeting in the astral plane.. How do you get that means she boosted him?
Anyway, still awaiting proof that Thanos' offensive telepathy is MORE than the 10th power greater than Emma's base telepathy. Because it has to be at least that powerful to even have a chance at affecting Kuurth. 🙂
Thanos hasn't really used offensive TP often since his classic days, but his most recent offensive TP feat is effortlessly mind-controlling Hulk like a puppet. Either way though, I still think his TP wouldn't work against Kuurth, but I don't see why he'd need to resort to that when he can just, you know, attack Kuurth directly. I don't mind if people think Kuurth wins, but to say Thanos can't harm Kuurth at all or even put a scratch on him is too far IMO. It's even more ridiculous when you have people claiming six top tier high-heralds and a trans attacking Kuurth at once won't hurt him. That is the very definition of a no limits fallacy, especially when you consider what Kuurth has actually tanked.
Originally posted by vince_slice
Thanos hasn't really used offensive TP often since his classic days, but his most recent offensive TP feat is effortlessly mind-controlling Hulk like a puppet. Either way though, I still think his TP wouldn't work against Kuurth, but I don't see why he'd need to resort to that when he can just, you know, attack Kuurth directly. I don't mind if people think Kuurth wins, but to say Thanos can't harm Kuurth at all or even put a scratch on him is too far IMO. It's even more ridiculous when you have people claiming six top tier high-heralds and a trans attacking Kuurth at once won't hurt him. That is the very definition of a no limits fallacy, especially when you consider what Kuurth has [b]actually tanked. [/B]
Thanos has no power output feats that suggest he can bypass Kuurth's durability. Hell Classic Juggs didn't even get bothered by a freaking Godblast, and Kuurth has his durability and more.
It's not a no limits fallacy. The limit is 5 times above Thor's Godblast.
Why?
Because it would take at least that to bother him. Plus let's not forget that Juggs heals instantly. So not only would it be nigh impossible to damage him but very very difficult to sustain that rate of damage before he heals back.
Kuurth or Classic Juggs shouldn't be in any threads involving characters less than skyfather.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos has no power output feats that suggest he can bypass Kuurth's durability. Hell Classic Juggs didn't even get bothered by a freaking Godblast, and Kuurth has his durability and more.It's not a no limits fallacy. The limit is 5 times above Thor's Godblast.
Why?
Because it would take at least that to bother him. Plus let's not forget that Juggs heals instantly. So not only would it be nigh impossible to damage him but very very difficult to sustain that rate of damage before he heals back.
Kuurth or Classic Juggs shouldn't be in any threads involving characters less than skyfather.
Originally posted by h1a8
Thanos has no power output feats that suggest he can bypass Kuurth's durability. Hell Classic Juggs didn't even get bothered by a freaking Godblast, and Kuurth has his durability and more.It's not a no limits fallacy. The limit is 5 times above Thor's Godblast.
Why?
Because it would take at least that to bother him. Plus let's not forget that Juggs heals instantly. So not only would it be nigh impossible to damage him but very very difficult to sustain that rate of damage before he heals back.
Kuurth or Classic Juggs shouldn't be in any threads involving characters less than skyfather.
Genius, it's been pointed out to you that the Juggernaut that received the Serpent's power and became Kuurth was NOT CLASSIC aka FULL power Juggernaut.
Do you get this?
Full Power Kuurth had his helmet cracked by regular Colossus. Full Power Kuurth had his head/helmet crushed/deformed by Magneto. Full Power Kuurth had his helmet ripped clean off by Hope.
None of those people are in Thanos' class powerwise. Thanos had KILLED high heralds. Thanos has withstood attacks by Skyfathers and Cube Beings. One of Thanos' fights busted a planet and Thanos was just fine in the aftermath.
Show me on panel anything "full" power Kuurth did that was anywhere near that impressive. What was the most powerful attack Kuurth survived on panel? What was the most powerful foe he fought?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
How does the above statement mean she boosted him in anyway? I didn't see any narration that even suggested she boosted him at all. All she did is just like I said... She set up the meeting in the astral plane.. How do you get that means she boosted him?Also, I don't get the whole he didn't do much to galactus... we see him in shock and scared Thanos even got as far as he did. Sure, he was able to fight it off.. but we seen Galactus via depiction almost completly entangled by Thanos. Again, this is much better than Odin, Xavier and a host of others has done. So, I'm not sure how that is not impressive.
Its not a good point of reference, (referring to the Galactus-Thanos encounter). Given that Thanos came in to talk things out, yet did so with the intention to jump on him the moment his defenses where down.
Then you factor in Moondragon. If Thanos is a potent telepath as you claim he is, then he would not have the need to use Moondragon as a medium to establish a meeting with Galactus.
Few have overwritten Galactus mental defenses entirely. I cant think of any-other character than the Marquis of Death to accomplish such feat. But the Thanos encounter is a questionable considering the above.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Doesn't matter as he won't offensively affect Kuurth that way. He would only allow himself to be open to be crushed if he tried it.
Amp or not, I'm betting on Thanos have the stronger mental fortitude. If ever Thanos tries a mental assault, I highly doubt he gets affected the way Emma was.
Originally posted by zopzop
Genius, it's been pointed out to you that the Juggernaut that received the Serpent's power and became Kuurth was NOT CLASSIC aka FULL power Juggernaut.Do you get this?
Full Power Kuurth had his helmet cracked by regular Colossus. Full Power Kuurth had his head/helmet crushed/deformed by Magneto. Full Power Kuurth had his helmet ripped clean off by Hope.
None of those people are in Thanos' class powerwise. Thanos had KILLED high heralds. Thanos has withstood attacks by Skyfathers and Cube Beings. One of Thanos' fights busted a planet and Thanos was just fine in the aftermath.
Show me on panel anything "full" power Kuurth did that was anywhere near that impressive. What was the most powerful attack Kuurth survived on panel? What was the most powerful foe he fought?
What's up with you and Helmets? Kuurth helmet being scratched or damaged is irrelevant since this has NOTHING to do with his durability. Me scratching Gladiators Cape doesn't mean I damaged him. Me slicing Thor gear doesn't mean I damaged him. What is so difficult to understand? Kuurth body armor being damaged doesn't have anything to do with his overall durability so why do you keep bringing it up.
Ok, Kuurth helmet got damaged, what does that mean?
