Originally posted by zopzop
It means Thanos can rip that helmet off and attempt mind rape or some other form of mental assault (we've seen what Nimrod did to Classic Juggernaut).Also way to avoid the bigger questions. Who was the most powerful foe Kuurth fought against? What was the most powerful attack he survived?
Now compare this to what Thanos goes up against. Thanos will wreck Kuurth.
So I want to preface these comments with a kind of asterisk. I can not 100 percent prove what I'm about to say nor are you gonna find a scan that 100 percent says I'm right. With that being said I'll continue. I quoted this post mostly because it was quickest one I could find but I'm going to address a couple of different points.
First I do think this is Full Powered Juggernaut and not the wimpy depowered version.
I say this for two reasons:
First When the Thunderbolts attempt to enter and remove Kuurth from Cain. Satana explicitly states that if Cain wanted to he could use his Juggernaut power and connection to Cyttorak to boot Kuurth if he wanted to. That tells me that Cain has access to the full power.
Secondly is his unstoppability. When he was given to the Thunderbolts we hear Luke Cage state that Cain wasn't unstoppable anymore. Yet we clearly see that power in full effect in the FI story arc with FP Kuurth. Magento couldn't stop Cain's Hammer because his unstopability enchantment was in full effect. That screams full powered Juggernaut to me.
So I think this is FP Juggernaut plus Kuurth.
The next thing I wanted to talk about was all these times Cain supposedly gets hurt.
Now for every burning torch in the eyes effecting him often times there are two feats of Cain being completely covered in fire and not caring.
For every Prof Hulk hitting him in the stomach there is a feat of him taking Savage Hulk and being fine or going toe to toe with WWH and not getting hurt.
For every shatterstar's sword there is a wolverine's claws.
For every Nimrod there is a depowered Cain walking around stripped to nothing but a skeleton.
For every Captain Universe thrashing him, we see Cain come back in the same story arc and basically start to beat the same guy without getting harmed.
Personally I've always thought there is a huge mental aspect to the Juggernaut power. That Cain still reacts as human to certain scenarios because he still thinks like a human.
I've also thought his power level can fluctuate depending on his focus level. Recently we've seen that happen with Colossus where he is mentally keeping himself at a lower level of Juggernaut so he doesn't go crazy and losing his humanity. I believe Cain would have done that a lot to. I believe a lot of Cain's instances of pain can be attributed to him walking around not fully Juggered up because who wants to be a walking engine of destruction all the time.
Now it's hard to retroactively point all this on Cain but I believe there are other instances of this.
When Cain was stripped of his power and turned into a skeleton he mentions getting angry and that being the reason why he doesn't go down.
We Cyttorak specifically mention to him in the WWH arc that if he wanted the power all he had to do was take it and use it.
I believe Classic juggernaut was one of if not the most durable herald level being walking around.
I also believe that FP Kuurth had full access to the Juggernaut power until Cyttorak took it away. I believe this because Cain was ready to give up on his humanity and just go destroy.
I mean he survived having his blood set on fire if that doesn't scream Classic Juggernaut I don't know what does. Heck personally I feel this was more akin to 8th Day Juggernaut walking around.
He was doing exactly what Cyttorak had wanted and had fully relinquished his humanity.
