Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thanos has exponentionally more mental fortitude then Emma.. he would not have that issue.
Defense=/=offense. Never has been the case.
Assuming Thanos has uberly-impressive offensive telepathy, simply because his mind is difficult for outside forces to manipulate, is not only horribly faulty, but also does not equate to evidence of his telepathic output in any way/shape/form. By this line of logic Kuurth himself would be a high-level telepath (despite having no offensive telepathic feats), solely because his resistance to telepathy is remarkably impressive. THINK about what you guys are saying for a moment.
Anyway, provide proof that Thanos' solo offensive telepathy is superior to Emma's amped to the tenth power, and I'll concede that he might have a chance at affecting Kuurth's mind. Until then, stop with the excuses and move on to other options Thanos has in his arsenal.
Originally posted by Estacado
Imo this is a stalemate.
Thanos can't put Kuurth down because of his durabilty.
Though Kuurth is supposed to be Classic Jugg with a magic hammer and flght I thin he doesn't have the damage output to put Thanos down.
Both Kuurth and his hammer are unstoppable. It has to crush Thanos upon impact. The only way Thanos can survive the fight is to avoid being hit by it all together.
Originally posted by zopzop
But on panel evidence shows that it was depowered Juggernaut that received Kuurth's hammer/spirit/power whatever you want to call it.It makes Kuurth even more pathetic if DEPOWERED Juggernaut would have been able to fight off the Serpent's influence if he wanted to but didn't.
Again, who was the most powerful foe Kuurth fought against? What was the most powerful attack he tanked? Answer these questions and then let's compare them to what Thanos goes up against and you'll see why many people don't buy into the "FP" Kuurth hype.
What was the evidence that a Depowered Juggernaut received the serpent's power?
Originally posted by h1a8Cain was depowered when he picked up the hammer as he was still in the Thunderbolts, but I think he was oeprating on full Juggernaut mode afterwards because he had all the same old Juggernaut powers he was lacking when he was depowered like unstopability.
Both Kuurth and his hammer are unstoppable. It has to crush Thanos upon impact. The only way Thanos can survive the fight is to avoid being hit by it all together.What was the evidence that a Depowered Juggernaut received the serpent's power?
Originally posted by Newjak
Cain was depowered when he picked up the hammer as he was still in the Thunderbolts, but I think he was oeprating on full Juggernaut mode afterwards because he had all the same old Juggernaut powers he was lacking when he was depowered like unstopability.
Originally posted by Galan007
Charles obviously didn't create Cerebra (aka. "Cerebro's big brother"😉 for the purpose of mind-phucking the world's populace. However, it can be used in that manner, because it essentially just amplifies the TP of its wearer. Here's an instance..C'mon, if Cassandra-phucking-Nova (who possesses base-level TP that makes an amped Xavier's look pathetic) needed Cerebra to accomplish her goals, its amp must be HUGE...
---...And it had already been 'canonized' that its wearer receives a "tenth power" psychic amplification
---And again: despite Emma's "tenth power" boost, her attempt at mind-phuckery was utterly ineffectual
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Based on the evidence presented thus far, I just don't see Thanos affecting Kuurth's mind in the slightest.
Cassandra Nova had just base level tp? Didn't she take over Xavier's body at that time? She wasn't exactly weak.
Again the scan stated 10th power boost in psychic senses.
Like I said before, Emma's human/mutant mind does not compare to the mental fortitude Thano's own fukked up mind posses. She seemed more a victim of psychic backlash from Kuurth. As I've shown before, Thanos's mind does not easily fall prey to such depths of madness. (him having no ill effects when he shut off mortal Beyonder's mind while Oracle of the Shi'ar went mad when she attempted the same)
Originally posted by vince_slice
I have a question. According to you and some others, Kuurth had classic Juggernaught's powers on top of the Serpent's power. Yet, when Cytorrak took that power away and gave it to Colossus, Colossonaught didn't show any where near classic Juggernaught level durability. In fact he got hurt and mangled badly by depowered Kuurth (who was at best roughly Thor level like the other Worthy). He was unstoppable that nothing can stop him when he starts moving, but he wasn't totally immune to physical harm like classic Juggs. How do you explain that?
Pete has since stated that he can "hang on" in metal skin Colossonaut mode. In other words he is not acessing full Juggernaut power either in that form, as was shown in his fight with Rulk where he let go and powered up to another level.
Pete can access full power if he is in the right (destructive) mindset, just like Cain. Cyttorak also remarked that his avatar was finally acting like he wanted him to, implying Kuurth was fully powered.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17I meant that her base-level TP was strong enough to tool an amped Xavier. Anyhow, Cass was still going to use Cerebra to amp her telepathy enough to kill every mutant mind on earth simultaneously. This was explicitly stated--thus it obviously amps it's wearer's mind-phuckery abilities (which makes sense, considering mind-phuckery=telepathy, and Cerebra amps telepathy.)
Cassandra Nova had just base level tp? Didn't she take over Xavier's body at that time? She wasn't exactly weak.Again the scan stated 10th power boost in psychic senses.
Cerebra was intended to enhance Xavier's telepathic range so that he could locate more mutants on earth. "Psychic senses" refers to that. After all, telepathy is pretty much the only "psychic sense" Xavier possesses. It was also flat-out stated that Cerebra boosts telepathic powers even more recently.
C'mon, I know you like Thanos, but it doesn't get any clearer...
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Again: defense=/=offense. If that were the case, Kuurth would be a high-level telepath as well, despite having no feats indicative of such. Dunno about you, but I would certainly never try to argue something like that...
Like I said before, Emma's human/mutant mind does not compare to the mental fortitude Thano's own fukked up mind posses. She seemed more a victim of psychic backlash from Kuurth. As I've shown before, Thanos's mind does not easily fall prey to such depths of madness. (him having no ill effects when he shut off mortal Beyonder's mind while Oracle of the Shi'ar went mad when she attempted the same)
I could care less about Thanos' mental fortitude. I'd like to see some offensive telepathic FEATS he's got.
Originally posted by Galan007
Defense=/=offense. Never has been the case.Assuming Thanos has uberly-impressive offensive telepathy, simply because his mind is difficult for outside forces to manipulate, is not only horribly faulty, but also does not equate to evidence of his telepathic output in any way/shape/form. [b]By this line of logic Kuurth himself would be a high-level telepath (despite having no offensive telepathic feats), solely because his resistance to telepathy is remarkably impressive.
THINK about what you guys are saying for a moment.Anyway, provide proof that Thanos' solo offensive telepathy is superior to Emma's amped to the tenth power, and I'll concede that he might have a chance at affecting Kuurth's mind. Until then, stop with the excuses and move on to other options Thanos has in his arsenal. [/B]
No, that's yor own assumption on our logic. Nova Prime has high levels of TP defense. Does that make him an uber telepath? Clearly no. We are simply stating the idea that Emma lacked the mental fortitude to handle such a strain. A psychic backlash of sorts. While I would bet the house on the idea that Thanos will not fall prey to the same result. Ultimately giving him a decidedly better chance to launch a tp assault.
I know u hate Thanos and all, but it doesn't get any clearer...
The huge difference in the example you provided is that Thanos has BOTH and shown both.. Juggs hasn't shown both. Again if Xavier with Cerebro couldn't do a thing to Galactus.... yet Thanos came as close to anyone to mindraping Galactus besides a few select people. That alone showing high end offensive TP. How many heralds of Galactus have been mindraped... Thanos mindraped one WITH EASE... That is high end mental TP?
and again as I stated earlier.. emma failed because she didn't have the mental fortitude to handle what she saw.. I see Thanos having NO issue with that what so ever
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Emma attempted to breach Kuurth's mind--with her telepathic abilities amped to the 10th power--and still stated that his mind was "Endless"... "Unstoppable." At her base level, she had no problem accessing Sentry's phucked up maze-mind, and comprehending it. Just saying.
No, that's yor own assumption on our logic. Nova Prime has high levels of TP defense. Does that make him an uber telepath? Clearly no. We are simply stating the idea that Emma lacked the mental fortitude to handle such a strain. A psychic backlash of sorts. While I would bet the house on the idea that Thanos will not fall prey to the same result. Ultimately giving him a decidedly better chance to launch a tp assault.I know u hate Thanos and all, but it doesn't get any clearer...
If you believe Thanos has the telepathic chops to not only fully breach Kuurth's mind, but mind-phuck him all together, then I'd like to see some definitive proof, is all. 🙂
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiDoesn't change the fact that you guys are trying to apply defense to offense. It's really nonsense, tbh. Unless you've got proof to the contrary, defense=/=offense... Especially where telepathy is concerned.
The huge difference in the example you provided is that Thanos has BOTH and shown both.. Juggs hasn't shown both. Again if Xavier with Cerebro couldn't do a thing to Galactus.... yet Thanos came as close to anyone to mindraping Galactus besides a few select people. That alone showing high end offensive TP. How many heralds of Galactus have been mindraped... Thanos mindraped one WITH EASE... That is high end mental TP?and again as I stated earlier.. emma failed because she didn't have the mental fortitude to handle what she saw.. I see Thanos having NO issue with that what so ever
Again: I have no problem with this tactic potentially working on Kuurth--I've just yet to see proof that Thanos can do so.
Originally posted by Galan007
Emma attempted to breach Kuurth's mind--with her telepathic abilities amped to the 10th power--and still stated that his mind was "Endless"... "Unstoppable."If you believe Thanos has the telepathic chops to not only fully breach Kuurth's mind, but mind-phuck him all together, then I'd like to see some definitive proof, is all. 🙂
Doesn't change the fact that you guys are trying to apply defense to offense. It's really nonsense,
Again: I have no problem with this tactic potentially working on Kuurth--I've just yet to see proof that Thanos can do so.
She did more than attempt to breach Kuurth's mind. She breached it and found the strain too much. Hence the backlash. What's more of a nonsense is how you projected your logic on to ours concerning Kuurth as an uber telepath just because Emma could not harm him. In this scenario, it is not far fetched to think that the application of strong mental fortitude along with tp offense is plausible. (or defense to offense whichever way u wanna call it)
Originally posted by celeyhyga17Emma began peering into Kuurths mind--with her telepathy enhanced to the tenth power--and stated he was "unstoppable." The "strain" was too much for her, because even in an amped state, she could not affect his "unstoppable" mind.
She did more than attempt to breach Kuurth's mind. She breached it and found the strain too much. Hence the backlash.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17You guys are applying offense to defense, in lieu of feats of the same caliber. ie. Thanos has impressive feats in the way of resistance to mental attacks(defense)--his feats of offensive telepathy, however, do not come close to the aforementioned (from what I've seen.) Therefore, your opinion is essentially baseless--and a baseless opinion is exactly what my Kuurth example was centered around.
What's more of a nonsense is how you projected your logic on to ours concerning Kuurth as an uber telepath just because Emma could not harm him. In this scenario, it is not far fetched to think that the application of strong mental fortitude along with tp offense is plausible. (or defense to offense whichever way u wanna call it)
Again, if you believe Thanos can mind-phuck Kuurth, despite an amped Emma being unable to affect him in the slightest, then show offensive feats suggestive of such. I'm open to the notion that Thanos can do so, but your reverse-ABC logic isn't helping your case. 🙂