Originally posted by Stoic
A forward momentum hat was being matched by the Hulk ever increasing ability to grow in strength.
Green Scar was still being pushed backward and nowhere was it shown that he stopped the Juggernaut . The same can't be said of War .
Originally posted by Stoic
Cain was pushing up against a force that would have pushed War through the Xavier Estate as it did for several yards of desert.
Originally posted by Stoic
The idea here is that while they were both pushed, War was pushed much further.
Originally posted by Reacting2
he activated juggernaut´s Unstoppability by pushing him... thats a fact
That's a lie, he was using his power to push against the Green Scar, but all he got was the possibility of undermining the mansions foundation, and a couple of inches in terms of forward momentum. The Green Scar was also holding back, and could have taken it up to city, state, country or earth destroying levels.
This was not his purpose though.
Originally posted by juggerman
look again buddy. WWH Pushed Juggernaut. wasnt just a side step like you're tryna swing here
Would that swat to the back of Cain had made him fly backwards if he were to walk into it? Never. He simply side stepped, patted him on the back, and Cain flew off in the direction that he was pushing in all along. This is what happened.
If anything (granted, I don't know Juggernaut as well as I should, so am basing it off what few instances I have read), I saw it as a testament to WWHulk's strength.
Imagine if you and a friend locked arms and were pushing against each other in the same manner as Juggs/WWHulk. You may be oiled up if you wish.
Now, to be deadlocked, each of you must be outputting equal amounts of strength, yes? Except you're using pure strength, and your friend has, I don't know, an engine behind him pushing him. Despite this engine, you still are able to keep up - Ok, you may be pushed back a bit, but that's another debate.
You suddenly stop pushing, and sidestep. Your friend, still propelled by his engine - guess what will happen? He'll start flying forward. You may help him along (and by the by, I think Hulk DID push Juggernaut) but in the main, its going to be the engine (Cytorrak enchantment) that's pushing your friend (Juggernaut) forward.
Originally posted by Stoicwrong, hulk used his Unstoppability against him, to BFR him
Would that swat to the back of Cain had made him fly backwards if he were to walk into it? Never. He simply side stepped, patted him on the back, and Cain flew off in the direction that he was pushing in all along. This is what happened.
Originally posted by Stoicwhat I saw in that comic(author agrees with me) is a juggernaut pushing hulk with strenght only, then hulk pushing juggernaut(activating his unstoppable power) to BFR him... what´s so difficult to understand about this?
I never said that he didn't do this, but you are only telling half of the truth here. This makes it a lie, or that you did not recognize the entire situation.
Oh no, I have no problem with that.
I was having difficulty with the implication - that had WWHulk not touched him, he wouldn't have been unstoppable.
There are two ways to look at it. Either:
A. if Hulk hadn't tocuhed him, then Juggs would have been able to stop himself. That implies that Hulk is wayyyy stronger than Juggs, because it shows a tap (or a relatively light push) is enough to send him flying; or
B: if Hulk hadn't touched him, then Juggs still would have carried on running, regardless of the extra force (which, from the art, looks relatively light). This would be because of his unstoppability, which was already in effect before the push on the back by WWH.
Originally posted by Reacting2
what I saw in that comic(author agrees with me) is a juggernaut pushing hulk with strenght only, then hulk pushing juggernaut(activating his unstoppable power) to BFR him... what´s so difficult to understand about this?
Cain was pushing against WW Hulk, and War, which was a strength feat. You're idea does not somehow negate or separate one from the other. The depictions and captions in the art shows that the Hulk was fighting the force of Cain's advance during the WW Hulk/Xmen filler (this can not be denied), in the same way that War was fighting against those same forces. The only difference is that WW Hulk slowed the Juggernaut far faster than War did. Again the Green Scar did not, and was not there to trade blows with Cain, but to get any or everyone out of his way of reaching Xavier.
If asked which incarnation of the Hulk was operating on a higher level, WW Hulk was the Hulk on a higher level of strength. It's just how he was written up to be.