(Dynasty of Evil) Darth Bane -vs- Darth Plagueis (Darth Plagueis)

Spoiler:
Sidious gets Plags very drunk and after a brief "bar fight" Sids uses force choke to kill Plags.

Or that. 😂

😂

It sounds so stupid when put like that. But it's actually a pretty cool scene. And yeah, I highly recommend the novel. It's one of the best.

Still about an 8/8.5 out of 10 for me, but I wish it had forged its own complete narrative rather than what we actually got.

Sings: "You know it's hard out there for a Sith..."

After the most difficult duel of his life - Bane stands over the corpse of Plagueis the Wise.

Albeit with bleeding gashes and lightsaber burns, Bane stands - the winner. 😎

Originally posted by ares834

Spoiler:
Sidious gets Plags very drunk and after a brief "bar fight" Sids uses force choke to kill Plags.

Spoiler:
No, Plagueis never attempts to attack Sidious but instead tries to rally his midi-chlorians to save his life.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
After the most difficult duel of his life - Bane stands over the corpse of Plagueis the Wise.

Albeit with bleeding gashes and lightsaber burns, Bane stands - the winner. 😎

What prevents Plagueis from overpowering him with the force? Or the saber? Or jut deactivating his midichlorians now?

Plagueis has been directly confirmed as more powerful than Bane...so have Zannah and Cognus and all those that followed

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'mcurious if you've ever made a correct conclusion.

What prevents Plagueis from overpowering him with the force? Or the saber? Or jut deactivating his midichlorians now?

Plagueis has been directly confirmed as more powerful than Bane...so have Zannah and Cognus and all those that followed

I indeed have. 😄

For the record, I wasn't sure who would win between these two.

The win was decided mostly off of roughly calc'ing everyone else's viewpoints on it.

And apparently, most people saw Bane crushing Plagueis.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
I indeed have. 😄

For the record, I wasn't sure who would win between these two.

The win was decided mostly off of roughly calc'ing everyone else's viewpoints on it.

And apparently, most people saw Bane crushing Plagueis.

I'm curious. If you went to a forum and saw the people there believing 2+2=5, does that make it so? Or if you go to certain places where the consensus is evolution isn't real?

Are you familiar with 'appeal to popularity' fallacy? People ignoring what Plagues can do and aggrandizing what Bane can doesn't a victory make.

Lightsnake are you saying that Plagues can manipulate midi-chlorians in combat? Because the question had been asked int his thread and nobody was able to say that he can. And outside of that most people think Bane's speed, TK and lightning feats greatly eclipse those of Plagues.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'm curious. If you went to a forum and saw the people there believing 2+2=5, does that make it so? Or if you go to certain places where the consensus is evolution isn't real?

Are you familiar with 'appeal to popularity' fallacy? People ignoring what Plagues can do and aggrandizing what Bane can doesn't a victory make.

I actually agree with that viewpoint - just because a group of people believe something, does not make it so. But such is the nature of human ignorance.

I do wonder though, have you read the new Bane books, by chance?

Palpatine was capable of doing it while killing Plagueis,

There is simply no reason Plagueis cannot. It's not a costly force technique, and it's one Plagueis has been shown to do it with zero effort. Can he do telekenisis in battle?Force lightning? Why is just talking to midichlorians any different? why was he able to focus enough to try to save himself when Palpatine was murdering him? While he was startled, drunk and helpless (he failed, but because Palpatine knew just how to stop him.)

I don't really care what most people think, especially with the level of reasoning I've seen from many of them here, either. Bane has never pretty much ATOMIZED someone with a force wave as Plagueis has.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
I actually agree with that viewpoint - just because a group of people believe something, does not make it so. But such is the nature of human ignorance.

I do wonder though, have you read the new Bane books, by chance?

I have read every insulting, terrible page, yep.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
Bane has never pretty much ATOMIZED someone with a force wave as Plagueis has.

He has disintergrated 12 combatants at once however.

Originally posted by Nephthys
He has disintergrated 12 combatants at once however.

I recall him doing this with a death field, which is a considerably different technique. And let's not tout Bane too heavily in that fight as he ended up losing it pretty handily with the Huntress there.

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I recall him doing this with a death field, which is a considerably different technique. And let's not tout Bane too heavily in that fight as he ended up losing it pretty handily with the Huntress there.

No, he did this in RoT against the technobeasts. Would you like the quotes?

Originally posted by Nephthys
No, he did this in RoT against the technobeasts. Would you like the quotes?

I'll pull up Rule of Two, and mention that he had the orbalisks then as well.

Moreover?
Plagueis atomizes half a dozen (potentially a full dozen if you interpret the quote a certain way) while mortally wounded. Bane is in peak condition and has the orbalisks empowering him.

And Plagueis also manipulated the wave after he used it through his opponents

Originally posted by Lightsnake
I'll pull up Rule of Two, and mention that he had the orbalisks then as well.

Moreover?
Plagueis atomizes half a dozen (potentially a full dozen if you interpret the quote a certain way) while mortally wounded. Bane is in peak condition and has the orbalisks empowering him.

And Plagueis also manipulated the wave after he used it through his opponents

So? Disintergrating an opponent with TK is a matter of skill and mastery of telekinesis, not raw power. If anything the orbalisks would make it harder to do that with the pain and adrenaline messing up his concentration. Furthermore in that fight he had to deal with nanobots causing him extreme pain and disorientation, and he still disintergrates 2 technobeasts as he's fighting them off at one point. Peak condition my ass.

And even if it was a matter of power, Bane specifically notes that he's trying to conserve power during that fight, but that he can still afford to use the Force in that way and fight for over an hour. Considering this, as well as the fact that he disintergrates 12 of them at once, indicates that he would be capable of doing it even without the boost from the orbalisks.