Teh Jew
Yes, as a sith order, their powers increase, while the jedi power dwindles. As they destroy the republic from within, their powers increase. Understanding how the statement can mean many different things? Hardly the conclusive "EVERY SITH IS STRONGER THAN THE PREVIOUS" statement, rofl.
The quote doesn't mention anything about Jedi powers dwindling or political corruption within the Republic. Contextually, it's tied to the preceding clause "as they gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force" which can only relate to Force power.
Originally posted by Master_Galen
Which is the reason each generation is more powerful than the last.
I thought having more midi-chlorians made you more powerful?
Just because you know more techniques, doesn't make you more powerful. Its illogical that the Banites would find a person successively more powerful in each generation. Lord knows, Zannah wasn't near to being Bane's superior.
Originally posted by homosexual redneck
The quote doesn't mention anything about Jedi powers dwindling or political corruption within the Republic. Contextually, it's tied to the preceding clause "as they [b]gained knowledge of the dark side of the Force" which can only relate to Force power. [/B]
Originally posted by Nephthys
I thought having more midi-chlorians made you more powerful?Just because you know more techniques, doesn't make you more powerful. Its illogical that the Banites would find a person successively more powerful in each generation. Lord knows, Zannah wasn't near to being Bane's superior.
This interpretation doesn't work, though, because an increase of dark side knowledge does not lead to an increase in midi-chlorian count (at least until Plagueis comes along).
Having a greater arsenal of techniques would naturally make a Force adept more powerful. Stronger in the Force? Not necessarily, but that's the domain of midi-chlorians.
Originally posted by suck it cowboy
Or it could relate to.. Knowledge of the dark side? Understanding of the dark side?
Are you suggesting that the quote is a thinly-veiled [redundant] statement of the obvious? "As they gained knowledge of the dark side, their powersdark side knowledge increased with each generation"?
Having a greater understanding of the dark side doesn't necessarily equate to more power. I don't think Zannah was more powerful than Bane, or even his equal, just that she had knowledge of something Bane didn't. So if we were to agree that Zannah wasn't more powerful, than this quote couldn't mean that each sith is more powerful than the last.
I'm suggesting their understanding could have increased, their powers could have increased, their arsenal may have increased, or all of the above. The statement is not definitive enough to suggest each sith was more powerful than the last.
Originally posted by Shadowbroker
This interpretation doesn't work, though, because an increase of dark side knowledge does not lead to an increase in midi-chlorian count (at least until Plagueis comes along).Having a greater arsenal of techniques would naturally make a Force adept more powerful. Stronger in the Force? Not necessarily, but that's the domain of midi-chlorians.
Hence why I believe the quote refers to force powers in general, not actual force power. Increasing their knowledge of the darkside wouldn't make them more powerful each generation. It would increase their ability to grow more powerful through more techniques, but not their actual power.
Edit: ^ Exactly, Zannah wasn't more powerful than Bane.
Originally posted by suck it cowboy
Having a greater understanding of the dark side doesn't necessarily equate to more power. I don't think Zannah was more powerful than Bane, or even his equal, just that she had knowledge of something Bane didn't. So if we were to agree that Zannah wasn't more powerful, than this quote couldn't mean that each sith is more powerful than the last.
Zannah's story hasn't exactly concluded, however: she was, for all intents and purposes, Bane's equal during their duel. Who knows how farther she progressed afterwards? Isn't that why Bane selected her in the first place?
Palpatine may not have been more powerful than Plagueis at the time of the latter's death, but that doesn't mean that he didn't eventually surpass him. In order to nullify the quote, a Sith Lord would need to be weaker than his or her predecessor at the time of their own death.
Originally posted by Shadowbroker
Zannah's story hasn't exactly concluded, however: she was, for all intents and purposes, Bane's equal during their duel. Who knows how farther she progressed afterwards? Isn't that why Bane selected her in the first place?Palpatine may not have been more powerful than Plagueis at the time of the latter's death, but that doesn't mean that he didn't eventually surpass him. In order to nullify the quote, a Sith Lord would need to be [b]weaker
than his or her predecessor at the time of their own death. [/B]
Was Millennial more powerful than Cognus after running off? Was Dooku more powerful than Sidious? Was Maul? Was Vader? And the sith lord wouldn't need to be weaker for the quote to be nullified, he could also be an equal.
Originally posted by Lightsnake
I love how people take "their power increased with every generation" as "This statement is very much unclear!"....as it ALWAYS is when it doesn't go the way the 'older=better' crowd wants it to.
Except the only one who has shown any bias here is you. Nobody else actually cares about this stuff anymore so it's safe to assume everyone else is objective. Also, I love your criticisms when you're the main proponent of "take quote literally unless it disagrees with my views".
Originally posted by suck it cowboy
Was Millennial more powerful than Cognus after running off? Was Dooku more powerful than Sidious? Was Maul? Was Vader?
I have no idea about Millennial and Cognus. As for the others, the quote comes from The Phantom Menace Scrapbook, which precedes Dooku and Vader. As far as Maul is concerned, Sidious's superiority over him comes from The Dark Side Sourcebook wherein Sidious is declared to be the pinnacle of Bane's order. Maul and Dooku's inability to surpass Sidious also comes directly from George (I'll find the quote).
"But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku[...]" (George Lucas, Rolling Stone, 2005)
Originally posted by suck it cowboy
And the sith lord wouldn't need to be weaker for the quote to be nullified, he could also be an equal.
True that.