Originally posted by iceman24567
I loved Hulk until i met carver 😬
👆 Same here. Hulk was tied for 2nd place with He-Man up until I started to read Carver's posts. Quan hasn't done that for me with Thanos, not because Thanos is just that awesome but because quan just doesn't hate or lowball my favorite character, he hates all of DC. LOL
Originally posted by iceman24567
I loved Hulk until i met carver 😬
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Same here. Hulk was tied for 2nd place with He-Man up until I started to read Carver's posts. Quan hasDn't done that for me with Thanos, not because Thanos is just that awesome but because quan just doesn't hate or lowball my favorite character, he hates all of DC. LOL
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Alright, for starters, let me say that I understand what the other side is trying to establish. The basic idea is to try to portray Superman as a solo planet mover. The thinking is that, if he has strength enough to do that, he has strength enough to hurt even World Breaker Hulk no matter if WBH has the power to shatter a planet in one go or not.Further, that if you have Superman then blitz using all that strength, Superman roundly defeats Hulk, healing factor or no.
Correct so far?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Problem with using Justice League of America v2 #29 as proof of Superman's soloEarthmoving ability is that he does NOT do so solo.He has help, significant help, and not merely with Hal Jordan creating and maintaining a Lantern Harness construct. Hal is pulling as well.
The dialogue makes little sense otherwise.I really don't know where the idea comes from that a Lantern can't pull and maintain a construct at the same time.
Sadly, this example involves Kyle Rayner, in fact, it is taken from Salsa's album. Perhaps I'll get told again that Kyle's ring is stronger and that Hal couldn't do this. Be interesting to see the response regardless ...
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
There's a lot of supplementary information that needs to be posted here.The reason for them being posted should be apparent. If not, people can ask questions, even as DarkSaint did at the beginning of this page.
The original pull/push made on that arc was made by both, then later on the arc they did it by themselves with out help from each other.
This was a gravimetric attraction situation and Superman was the one who got the last load
and I'm not saying that Hal cannot multitask, just not in that scale.
For example it will be easy for me to go up in a ladder holding tools in one hand and carrying a backpack with 10 lbs of load, than doing the same task while carrying a backpack with 150 lbs of load.
The second multitask will become impossible because I will most likely need BOTH hands and a lot of concentration just to handle the 150 lbs weight alone.
But lets even go by your example, lets say for some reason you are correct and Hal is pulling too.
Starbreaker is ALREADY moving earth towards the sun and earth is already outside it's orbital trench and getting pulled by Starbreaker's force and possibly the Sun's gravitational pull, since you know earth is outside it's orbital trench. Earth has already gained MOMENTUM since is already moving you know
To counter that momentum you will need a LOT of force
and I'm going to make this really simple for the nay sayers p = mv
Lets say I have a a cart that weights 11.35kg and is moving at 12m/s, this seemingly light object traveling at 12 m/s will become 136.2 kg
of course this increases or decreases with the speed so 11.35 kg moving at 1 m/s will become 22.76 kg
and 11.35 kg traveling at 24m/s will become 272.40 kg
Earth's mass is not 11.35 kg and Starbreaker does not plunge planets into the sun at 2 m/s
So even if you were correct (which you are not) this means Superman is moving more than a planet's mass 😄
No matter how much you will like to cherry pick it, the feat is more than a planet moving. For one OR both characters.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Pays to note poster comments ...If I ever find out where THAT showing is from, I'll consider making it my new sig.
Nah! that was like 20 years ago and it has as much weight as Wonder Woman being barely able to hold a bridge
Originally posted by carver9
This scan pretty much sums it up. Stated clean on panel that the GL AND Supes was pulling. He even states "me and you are the only two strong enough to pull the planet". Can't get any clearer than this. Good post buddy
I don't think it matter now 😄
CORRECTION I used a 1 instead of a 2 on the previous post
Originally posted by biensalsaand I'm going to make this really simple for the nay sayers p = mv
Lets say I have a a cart that weights 11.35kg and is moving at 12m/s, this seemingly light object traveling at 12 m/s will become 136.2 kg
of course this increases or decreases with the speed so 11.35 kg moving at 2 m/s will become 22.76 kg
and 11.35 kg traveling at 24m/s will become 272.40 kgEarth's mass is not 11.35 kg and Starbreaker does not plunge planets into the sun at 2 m/s
So even if you were correct (which you are not) this means Superman is moving more than a planet's mass 😄
No matter how much you will like to cherry pick it, the feat is more than a planet moving. For one OR both characters.
This use to be a fight 8 yrs ago...Hulk is just operating on a completely different level than Superman. Hulk is walking around 1 shotting Heralds left and right. WBH isn't even needed...hell, before the reboot, I would give Savage Hulk the majority against Superman, his power level dropped tremendously.
Hulk 10/10
Originally posted by carver9
This use to be a fight 8 yrs ago...Hulk is just operating on a completely different level than Superman. Hulk is walking around 1 shotting Heralds left and right. WBH isn't even needed...hell, before the reboot, I would give Savage Hulk the majority against Superman, his power level dropped tremendously.Hulk 10/10
Hit your head today, Carver?
Originally posted by carver9
This use to be a fight 8 yrs ago...Hulk is just operating on a completely different level than Superman. Hulk is walking around 1 shotting Heralds left and right. WBH isn't even needed...hell, before the reboot, I would give Savage Hulk the majority against Superman, his power level dropped tremendously.Hulk 10/10
That is the best argument you can come up with, after showing the feats is more than a planet moving?
Originally posted by -Pr-
At the moment = In the last eight years?Your perception of time amuses.
You are misreading my posts. I'm saying, 8yrs ago, this fight would have been decent "for Superman". I would have even given him the majority but now, Hulk power level has skyrocketed. Current Hulk would kill him imo.