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Source: Incredible Hulk #621
Writer: Greg Pak
Penciller: Paul Pelletier
Date: March 2011
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http://marvel.wikia.com/Incredible_Hulk_Vol_1_621
Don't know why Carver hasn't simply posted some of the images he's put in other threads, but he's already given very good answers to many of the objections you're posting.
Fact is that what we call WorldBreaker isn't always a "true" power-to-split-planets Hulk.
Carver gave, or perhaps it is more correct to say Greg Pak gave, a good ilustration of this on page 41 of KMC's "Respect Thread of The Incredible Hulk" thread.
Note that Hulk limits the amount of power he allows to be expressed at any given time based on the presence of innocent bystanders of friends.
Carver's post is the 5th one down on the following page:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=441188&pagenumber=41
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Don't know why Carver hasn't simply posted some of the images he's put in other threads, but he's already given very good answers to many of the objections you're posting.Fact is that what we call WorldBreaker isn't always a "true" power-to-split-planets Hulk.
Carver gave, or perhaps it is more correct to say Greg Pak gave, a good ilustration of this on page 41 of KMC's "Respect Thread of The Incredible Hulk" thread.
Note that Hulk limits the amount of power he allows to be expressed at any given time based on the presence of innocent bystanders of friends.
Carver's post is the 5th one down on the following page:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=441188&pagenumber=41
Ummm. We know all this. no one is saying Hulk cannot bust a planet, but calling WBH "sky father" level? is insane.
And are you finally going to accept that Superman and GL stopped a planet while the planet had momentum? and that makes it +++++ than a planet level moving feat for Superman and GL?
Originally posted by biensalsa
Ummm. We know all this. no one is saying Hulk cannot bust a planet, but calling WBH "sky father" level? is insane.And are you finally going to accept that Superman and GL stopped a planet while the planet had momentum? and that makes it +++++ than a planet level moving feat for Superman and GL?
1) Keep it correct. YOU know this. The other people throughout this 30+ page thread? I don't think so. I'd wager I could find a statement of someone denying Hulk could do such a thing in 10 minutes flat if I thought that point were important enough to review.
2) I don't know what "sky father" level is to be honest.
I was actually surprised to see that Greg Pak had Zeus throw Hulk a beating perusing a respect thread last year. For isn't Hercules Zeus' own son? Doesn't even Savage Hulk beat Herc fairly regularly?
For that matter, doesn't Odin's son lose fairly often to Savage Hulk?
If Thor has such a hard time despite having Mjolnir, greatest of the Norse weapons, why would his father just roll through?
3) Too many flaws with this Salsa.
I could tell you what you wanted to hear, but I wouldn't believe it while I was saying it.
Too many flaws with the reasoning.
The most basic is that planets are always in motion by definition, revolving around the central star of their system. There's no such thing as a planet at rest.
Hard to ignore that this is a re-telling of a Metal Age tale, too.
And written by a Metal Age writer. Doesn't really sync with the rest of DCU history during this period (2009 or thereabouts).
If Superman has the kind of power suggested by what you're saying, how is that, even paired with a dozen other beings like himself, a dozen other Kryptonians, he cannot so much as slow down a moon (Callisto) taken out of orbit?
Why, in, say, Death of the New Gods #8, can he not halt the progress of either Apokolips or New Genesis toward one another, preventing what he thinks will prove dual global genocide for both populations?
It's even more of an outlier than Gray Hulk's asteroid bust.
At least that one now has higher Hulk showings to pair it with to make it an average. I don't see a very compelling case for accepting that the way Damborgson wrote this thread.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
1) Keep it correct. YOU know this. The other people throughout this 30+ page thread? I don't think so. I'd wager I could find a statement of someone denying Hulk could do such a thing in 10 minutes flat if I thought that point were important enough to review.
I don't think you will, there is CONTEXT around it, which many ignore, but he has the power to destroy a planet since the 70's
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
2) I don't know what "sky father" level is to be honest.
I was actually surprised to see that Greg Pak had Zeus throw Hulk a beating perusing a respect thread last year. For isn't Hercules Zeus' own son? Doesn't even Savage Hulk beat Herc fairly regularly?
For that matter, doesn't Odin's son lose fairly often to Savage Hulk?
If Thor has such a hard time despite having Mjolnir, greatest of the Norse weapons, why would his father just roll through?
Really? Sometimes I feel you are just trolling around with some of this statements. I mean not that is bad thing, We all do it from time to time. But why a Skyfather will destroy any version of Hulk? because any skyfather is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more powerful than Hulk
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
3) Too many flaws with this Salsa.
I could tell you what you wanted to hear, but I wouldn't believe it while I was saying it.Too many flaws with the reasoning.
The most basic is that planets are always in motion by definition, revolving around the central star of their system. There's no such thing as a planet at rest.
In other words, there is no more argument to be made. The feat on panel is +++++ planet moving. And you did tried to dismiss it, but now, there is no more argument to it, there is nothing else you can say, because either way you want to see the feat, with Hal helping to pull the planet or Superman doing it alone, this is a ++++ planet moving feat.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Hard to ignore that this is a re-telling of a Metal Age tale, too.
And written by a Metal Age writer. Doesn't really sync with the rest of DCU history during this period (2009 or thereabouts).
You actaully made me chuckle with this one.
A little fun fact here:
This is not a complete retelling, IN THE ORIGINAL STORY, With PRE-CRISIS Superman, neither Superman nor Hal Jordan moved the planet. The ending was completely different.
In the original story, Superman gets enraged and says that he can actually become stronger while enraged and then procedes to help the JLA into physically defeating Starbreaker.
The planet moving did not existed in the "metal age" story, It was actually "sync with the rest of DCU history during this period (2009 or thereabouts)"
But maybe you did not know this.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
If Superman has the kind of power suggested by what you're saying, how is that, even paired with a dozen other beings like himself, a dozen other Kryptonians, he cannot so much as slow down a moon (Callisto) taken out of orbit?
Why, in, say, Death of the New Gods #8, can he not halt the progress of either Apokolips or New Genesis toward one another, preventing what he thinks will prove dual global genocide for both populations?It's even more of an outlier than Gray Hulk's asteroid bust.
At least that one now has higher Hulk showings to pair it with to make it an average. I don't see a very compelling case for accepting that the way Damborgson wrote this thread.
the Callisto instance has been explained like 3 or 4 times to you. You are just ignoring the facts.
The New Genesis and Apokolips? really? have you even read the comic? He was looking for surviviors!
Why he didn't stop those planets? Well maybe because it was part of the plot for those planets to collide?
And yes, I have seen that feat of the asteroid, but then again I already explained, Pulverizing something smaller requires more force than tearing into pieces something bigger.
But like the other facts showed to you, you are just ignoring them.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider2) I don't know what "sky father" level is to be honest.
I was actually surprised to see that Greg Pak had Zeus throw Hulk a beating perusing a respect thread last year. For isn't Hercules Zeus' own son? Doesn't even Savage Hulk beat Herc fairly regularly?
For that matter, doesn't Odin's son lose fairly often to Savage Hulk?
If Thor has such a hard time despite having Mjolnir, greatest of the Norse weapons, why would his father just roll through?
Because neither Thor nor Hercules are any where near the power-level of their sires .
If the difference between Hulk and Thor is a Captain America , then the difference between Odin and Thor is a million Captain Americas .
Originally posted by carver9
@Bluewater...I am currently unable to post scans, my computer is jacked up. I will be posting Hulk FTs soon though.
You might try the "system restore" feature if you can't get anyone else to help. Believe it or not, computers, most modern ones at least (i.e. last 5 years or so) save the states they were in on a fairly regular basis.
The other day I found malware that tried to mimic my anti-viral protection software, for instance. I was tipped off by the phrase "protect your PC in new level" that it wasn't legit, and perhaps one or two others. It also asked me to turn off my firewall, presumably the one thing protecting me from suffering complete damage from the cocktail of trojans, worms, and spywares which apparently comprise the thing.
So I disconnected my computer from receiving outside signals
(there's actually a "cancel Internet reception" button on my computer) and ran the most recent system restore protocols.
First one failed, second one worked.
Restored my overall config to the way it was LAST month, a period in time where I was virus-free.
Uninstalled several recently installed programs, presumably including the malware, but left everything I cared about intact.
You might try the same. Disconnect from the Internet, disable your wireless card or whatever you need to stop receiving from the outside, then run "system" restore. Your computer itself should still be able to guide you if you just type that in as an internal search.
Again, make sure you are prevented from receiving outside signals while you do this -- system restore cannot be interrupted while in progress.
Hope this helps.
Originally posted by biensalsa
A little fun fact here:This is not a complete retelling, IN THE ORIGINAL STORY, With PRE-CRISIS Superman, neither Superman nor Hal Jordan moved the planet. The ending was completely different.
In the original story, Superman gets enraged and says that he can actually become stronger while enraged and then procedes to help the JLA into physically defeating Starbreaker.
The planet moving did not existed in the "metal age" story, It was actually "sync with the rest of DCU history during this period (2009 or thereabouts)"
But maybe you did not know this.
What I know of Starbreaker I know from reading online reviews and KMCs own respect thread on the guy. I do not own any comic of pre-Crisis (Metal Age) Starbreaker.
Originally posted by biensalsaThis is not a complete retelling, IN THE ORIGINAL STORY, With PRE-CRISIS Superman, neither Superman nor Hal Jordan moved the planet. The ending was completely different.
In the original story, Superman gets enraged and says that he can actually become stronger while enraged and then procedes to help the JLA into physically defeating Starbreaker.
The planet moving did not existed in the "metal age" story, It was actually "sync with the rest of DCU history during this period (2009 or thereabouts)"
But maybe you did not know this.
Going by the following and the fact that there is no Wonder Woman in the story, which, if memory serves correctly, was true in its own era, as she left the team for a short while for whatever reason:
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" ... [w]hile it is part of some bigger storyline (aren't all comics, nowadays?), I find you can read and enjoy this issue all on its own--its a retelling of sorts of Justice League of America #s 96 and 97, where the World's Greatest Super-Heroes take on the cosmic vampire known as The Starbreaker.
But the fun part is that this issue is written by classic JLA writer Len Wein, and that he has rewritten it to include all the members of the team. And, unlike in the original issues, Aquaman gets to be involved, and personally pound the snot out of Starbreaker ... "
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http://www.aquamanshrine.com/2009_01_01_archive.html
Originally posted by -Pr-
So what's the actual issue here?
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Source: Justice League of America #29, Volume 2
Writer: Len Wein
Penciller: ChrisCross
Date: March 2009
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Justice_League_of_America_Vol_2_29