Let us change the subject for a sec.
Who has the better music inspired by them?
I submit:
YouTube video
Originally posted by CosmicComet
Let us change the subject for a sec.Who has the better music inspired by them?
I submit:
YouTube video
I thought you were going to link to good music?
2) I don't know what "sky father" level is to be honest.
I was actually surprised to see that Greg Pak had Zeus throw Hulk a beating perusing a respect thread last year.
For isn't Hercules Zeus' own son? Doesn't even Savage Hulk beat Herc fairly regularly?
For that matter, doesn't Odin's son lose fairly often to Savage Hulk?
If Thor has such a hard time despite having Mjolnir, greatest of the Norse weapons, why would his father just roll through?
Originally posted by biensalsa
Really? Sometimes I feel you are just trolling around with some of this statements. I mean not that is bad thing, We all do it from time to time. But why a Skyfather will destroy any version of Hulk? because any skyfather is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more powerful than Hulk
Perhaps in the future I'll opt to troll, but, in all honesty, I can't recall any instances of my doing so on this particular board to date.
Problem is that your reading background is vastly different from mine.
I saw some scans of Odin today (well, yesterday now I suppose) describing him in the sorts of terms you allude to.
First time I'd seen anything in a comic book (KMC scans rather) that made me think Odin is levels above Thor.
Only things I've seen of him before were deals like Tarene versus Gladiator, the Hulk versus Asgard movie, and the "What If ... Rogue Possessed the Power of Thor?" issue. He certainly didn't strike me as a leagues-above-Thor figure in any of those.
Not PHYSICALLY, at any rate.
Magic wise, maybe.
Physically? No.
Witness the following scene of that "What If ...?" book, for instance ...
The "What If" story there posits what would happen, if, back in Avengers #10, Rogue had opted NOT to let Thor go and drain more power before freeing her adopted mom (Mystique) and friends.
The attempt backfires on Rogue, she absorbs ALL of what makes Thor Thor, accidentally killing him in the process and swamping her mind with his memories and persona. She reacts violently to her companions, unintentionally triggering an overreaction from Pyro while she is flying with her team over water, if memory serves correctly.
Unfortunately, Pyro's power is to make things burn.
REALLY hot. Too hot.
The fuel in the tanks of that plane catch fire, there is, predictably, a fierce and sudden explosion, all of Rogue's team, including her mom, Mystique are killed before Rogue can react.
Enter Loki, who convinces the nearly out of her mind child to work with him in the "heroic" goal of overthrowing Odin, starting by waging war against the forces of all of Asgard. Which she does ...
Note the treatment of the Asgard forces.
Overwhelmed by Thor-Rogue.
No one seems to have any reply for Mjolnir, and all begin despairing.
If Odin is so much greater than Thor ... why?
And why is Odin himself not on the battlefield, fending off harm from his troops with his great power?
At any rate, the fight continues and even the arrival of some of Earth's heroes can't shift the tide enough in Asgard's favor to stop her.
Fortunately, Rogue can stop herself, and she does so, sparing the life of Balder. Whereupon ...
... we arrive at the throne room of Odin.
Loki gives Rogue the command to kill the old king.
Presumably, we are meant to understand she can do so, and with surety.
Certainly it is implied that Odin has enough offensive power to take Loki and Rogue in turn; that much isn't in question.
Just doesn't seem at all like its because of a power difference leagues apart from his son Thor, though.
Seems more or less a 50/50 proposition between the two sides, and I would have no problem saying that this can support Odin has the offensive power of Loki and Thor together, but orders of magnitude more than that? No. Nothing of scenes like this, the only kinds I'd seen before yesterday, implies that THAT is the case.
Originally posted by biensalsa... why a Skyfather will destroy any version of Hulk?
because any skyfather is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more powerful than Hulk ...
Save for one scan I stumbled upon a day or three ago in these forums, don't think I've really had much experience with Zeus outside of Homer's Iliad. (DC Comics excepted, of course)
IN the Iliad, however, Zeus is described as being so much stronger than the rest of the Greek Pantheon that Poseidon himself, master of all the world's oceans, tells Hera, who is plotting against Zeus in hopes of destroying Troy, that he does not wish that ALL the rest of the gods united together should face Zeus in real combat, fearing Zeus is much stronger than any of the rest of them. Zeus himself boasts that if all the gods were to take a chain and fasten hold to his arm they could not bring him down from heaven, but that he himself, were he minded, could lightly pull every last one of them up to HIM.
None of the Pantheon dispute that argument, either.
In other words, the Hulk-pancake Hercules notwithstanding, ZEUS might be leagues above Hulk, but it doesn't necessarily follow that all other Greek deities are nearly that much more powerful, for Zeus is the strongest of them all.
Might be interesting, by contrast, for instance, to see if HERA could contend with Hulk in a physical matchup. Not all gods are created equal.
Originally posted by biensalsathe Callisto instance has been explained like 3 or 4 times to you. You are just ignoring the facts.
Ignoring is the wrong word. Rather I've heard the argument and found it lacking. Relativistic bubble or whatever you choose to call it, your argument is that Callisto has great speed and momentum making it more difficult than a typical moon moving/stopping/slowing feat.
Actually, you've said it is more difficult than a typical EARTH moving/stopping/slowing feat, despite the fact that Earth is 16 times more massive than our moon.
Actually, considering the Starbreaker ep, you're saying that again.
Problem is Superman is being paired with numerous other yellow sun-empowered Kryptonians. It's fine to say Superman "holds back", has mental blocks, can't use his full strength, etcetera. It's even okay to say he's stronger than the average Kryptonian. But how far are we to take that? What, is he 3 times stronger? 4 times? 5? 6?
Even allowing for that, there are EIGHT other Kryptonians out there trying their level best to stop that thing! And failing.
Even though a crew of Thanagarians go out there and slow the moon for them.
What, are these Kryptonians "holding back", too?
And yet, we can look at JLA "Terror Incognita" and witness another moon hurtling with great speed and momentum toward a planet.
OUR Moon, and OUR own Earth on collision.
But here we have a rookie Lantern and Wonder Woman assisting.
So here adjusting a swift-moving momentum-laden moon succeeds.
Even as the assistance of Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman again allows planet Earth tow-recovery after that.
Apparently, mass aside,
Superman + Hal Jordan = success*.
Superman + Kyle Rayner + Wonder Woman = success.
Superman + Martian Manhunter+ Wonder Woman = success.
Superman + 8 Kryptonians = failure.
Originally posted by bluewaterriderthat and hulk steamrolled olympus (while holding back) to get to zues
Save for one scan I stumbled upon a day or three ago in these forums, don't think I've really had much experience with Zeus outside of Homer's Iliad. (DC Comics excepted, of course)
IN the Iliad, however, Zeus is described as being so much stronger than the rest of the Greek Pantheon that Poseidon himself, master of all the world's oceans, tells Hera, who is plotting against Zeus in hopes of destroying Troy, that he does not wish that ALL the rest of the gods united together should face Zeus in real combat, fearing Zeus is much stronger than any of the rest of them. Zeus himself boasts that if all the gods were to take a chain and fasten hold to his arm they could not bring him down from heaven, but that he himself, were he minded, could lightly pull every last one of them up to HIM.
None of the Pantheon dispute that argument, either.In other words, the Hulk-pancake Hercules notwithstanding, ZEUS might be leagues above Hulk, but it doesn't necessarily follow that all other Greek deities are nearly that much more powerful, for Zeus is the strongest of them all.
Might be interesting, by contrast, for instance, to see if HERA could contend with Hulk in a physical matchup. Not all gods are created equal.