Does anyone have scans of Superman performing the IMP with single punches? Also, Superman and Wonder Woman was right at the sun when Superman koed her with a punch (he was probably amped) and that wasnt the only hit he did before that punch. He heat vision her face all the way to the sun.
ABHI, your scans are lame. Also, in the shadow moon scans that you showed, it stated that all of them was too weak to stop the moon physically. That's not a good scan to show buddy.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
In Our Worlds at War, though he apparently handled quite a few probes, he had to go above and beyond to take out Imperiex himself.
This is hilarious. Do you think WBH could take out Imperiex? If so you're a troll on carver's level. what are you trying to prove here? All out Superman isn't at Imperiex's level? Okaaaaay. Well, all out WBH isn't at Odin's level either. What does that prove?
Superman's strength ALONE, based on feats anyway, is well beyond the Hulk's, and everyone of the best strength feats from Superman are a "holding back Superman". WBH shaking the eastern seaboard of one continent on one planet doesn't compare to Superman smashing planets, or lifting infinite weight. That's just strength, the Hulk's main power.
Do you have any argument for Hulk even being able to lift his arm before an "all out Superman" uses his femtosecond reaction speed to tear the Hulk's head off?
Let guess, you're gonna say Hulk fought speedsters in the past, right? Show me one of these speedsters using their full speed advantage against the Hulk, and then show me the Hulk successfully reacting to the speed attack, then you will have an argument.
Heat vision? That's been covered ad naseum in the HV vs godblast thread, but needless to say it's YET ANOTHER option against the Hulk.
Durability? Do you honestly think the WBH (who died from a planet buster) could survive 52 supernova size explosion while weakened? That would destroy a minimum of 52 SOLAR SYSTEMS....nevermind one measly planet. Superman's flesh can't be pierced by bones or normal darts either, like the Hulk's can. Gas can't take down Superman, like it does to the Hulk.
Superman can also absorb energy (he's done so multiple times). We've seen what happens when WBH gets energy drained from him (satellites come to mind).
Hulk can't fly either. Superman "going all out" can fly into the Hulk 13 million times the speed of light (at least) and bring the Hulk into deep space past the solar system in less than a second. Then he can fly around the Hulk and blast him with heat vision all day long while the Hulk floats helplessly in space (although Carver once tried to claim the Hulk was strong enough to swim in space).
Going all out, the Hulk is not beating Superman. I don't care if it is WBH.
Originally posted by keiththegreat
Do you honestly think the WBH (who died from a planet buster) could survive [a] 52 supernova size explosion while weakened? That would destroy a minimum of 52 SOLAR SYSTEMS....nevermind one measly planet.
Keith, kindly show me Superman surviving this "52 supernova size explosion" of yours
and World Breaker Hulk dying from whatever you're calling a "planet buster".
Originally posted by carver9
Does anyone have scans of Superman performing the IMP with single punches? Also, Superman and Wonder Woman was right at the sun when Superman koed her with a punch (he was probably amped) and that wasnt the only hit he did before that punch. He heat vision her face all the way to the sun.ABHI, your scans are lame. Also, in the shadow moon scans that you showed, it stated that all of them was too weak to stop the moon physically. That's not a good scan to show buddy.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Lulz @ punch.
Considering it was a magical shadow moon (Shadow thief's powers are now due to neron's magic), its a very good showing.
Never said it wasn't a good ft because it is. I can't see many Heralds performing the same thing. I just don't consider it a high showing for a Herald, especially someone of Superman stature due to the many circumstances involving the ft, including the end result. There are better fts out there for him.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Keith, kindly show me Superman surviving this "52 supernova size explosion" of yours
and World Breaker Hulk dying from whatever you're calling a "planet buster".
Originally posted by TheGodKiller
I don't know about 52 times , but he did tank an explosion 50 times the size of Kepler's supernova :
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/99/supestanks50supernovae.jpg/
I thank you for the scan.
I'm familiar with this one, and there are several problems:
1) The narrator is Pa Kent, calling into question the size of the blast.
2) Superman doesn't tank this explosion.
Were I making this claim for someone and, say, Delta1938 were around, instantly he would be telling me this is not tanking at all, that Superman is being blown away like a leaf in the wind.
Actually, Delta denied even the 2nd showing of the following was an instance of a character "tanking" an attack, an instance more immediately relevant to our current discussion:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893036
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893043
Here, might as well show the rest of it, originally posted, interestingly enough, on page 52 of that thread Diesel or whoever mentioned before:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893049
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893054
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893063
"Sakki Tokai, the Hate-Furnace"
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Source: Action Comics #787, Volume 1
Writer: Joe Kelly
Penciller: Pascual Ferry
Inker: Walden Wong
Date: March 2002
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Action_Comics_Vol_1_787
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I thank you for the scan.I'm familiar with this one, and there are several problems:
1) The narrator is Pa Kent, calling into question the size of the blast.
2) Superman doesn't tank this explosion.Were I making this claim for someone and, say, Delta1938 were around, instantly he would be telling me this is not tanking at all, that Superman is being blown away like a leaf in the wind.
Actually, Delta denied even the 2nd showing of the following was an instance of a character "tanking" an attack, an instance more immediately relevant to our current discussion:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893036
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893043Here, might as well show the rest of it, originally posted, interestingly enough, on page 52 of that thread Diesel or whoever mentioned before:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893049
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893054
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=13893063"Sakki Tokai, the Hate-Furnace"
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Source: Action Comics #787, Volume 1
Writer: Joe Kelly
Penciller: Pascual Ferry
Inker: Walden Wong
Date: March 2002
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http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Action_Comics_Vol_1_787
However, Superman, a scientist with the senses to know, said it was the size of a nebula. Now, Kepler's Supernova is 14 light years wide. Pa said it was 50 times that size, he actually came up with a similar number to the size of a nebula as compared to Kepler's Supernova. A nebula averaging around 800-1000 or so lightyears in span, and 50x14 being 700. Pa wasn't too far off[relatively speaking, considering we're talking lightyears]. Not bad from a naked eye of a human, I'd say..
It should be mentioned however, that Kepler's Supernova, being 14 lightyears wide, is still growing today, so the size of this explosion was instantaneously 50 times the size of a 400 year old Supernova that continued to expand.
So this Sun Eater is the size of a nebula, and eats stars. I don't think the size of the blast that was required to kill it is in question at all, especially when two sources within the comic give the same general range.
Another interesting part of this feat in particular is another measure of how fast Superman can fly. Pa Kent had to be VERY far away.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
iPhones must be hell to post with -- you even misspelled "SUPERman" in your message above.Delta doesn't fare so well when there are other people on the opposing side, even though he seems to spend a lot of time debating that particular topic:
http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles/7/superman-vs-wonder-woman/675416/?page=23I am indeed a man and not a woman.
I am also not gay or bisexual, if you're wondering that.
And many, though not all, of my best friends are male, so no, I don't hate men.
Easy for you to talk shit behind my back when I've been gone a while, Blue.
As for Comicvine, I did a lot better than you'd like to believe. Most of the people against me were a bunch of whiny, ignorant kids who ignored evidence, rarely presented any of their own, and just stuck to their stance with the argument of "NUH UH!! You're wrong!!" They were like you, except don't even attempt to put-on a facade of maturity.
You got destroyed in our debate over your hilarious claim that Wonder Woman is stronger than Superman. You're a hypocrite, you make all these arguments against Superman, but when the same applies to Wonder Woman, you say it "doesn't count."
