Ozymandias vs Captain America

Movie versions.

1. Without shield

2. With shield

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Has Cap ever caught a bullet?

Has Ozy punched at the speed of a bullet.

Is Cap the "Smartest Man in the World"?

Wait when did movie Cap punch as fast as a bullet?

is this a battle of intellectual prowess.

when did I say he punched as fast as a bullet? neither has so whether they can catch one is irrelevant since neither is using a gun. they can all react to each other.

is this a battle of intellectual prowess.

all fights are to a point. if you are much smarter than your opponent then you can use it to your advantage. happens all the time

when did I say he punched as fast as a bullet? neither has so whether they can catch one is irrelevant since neither is using a gun. they can all react to each other.

well if one is fast enough to catch a bullet and the other can't then it's reasonable to say that the one who can is faster right?

so Ozy is faster and has the smarts to use it to his advantage

Originally posted by juggerman
all fights are to a point. if you are much smarter than your opponent then you can use it to your advantage. happens all the time.

well if one is fast enough to catch a bullet and the other can't then it's reasonable to say that the one who can is faster right?

so Ozy is faster and has the smarts to use it to his advantage

The advantage is minimal at best none existent at worst. This is not a battle between chimps and human. Saying he wins cos he's smarter without saying how is just baseless conjecture. You don't need to be a super genius to be a good fighter. And being one certainly doesn't automatically make you a better fighter. You'd do much better to point out his skills in martial arts since that's something that actually relevant.

Faster at what? One can be faster at many different things and not as fast in other areas. He has better reflexes, which is a plus, but not an overwhelming advantage unless Cap have some sort of super speed that needs to be nullified. Doesn't make him hit faster.

The advantage is minimal at best none existent at worst. This is not a battle between chimps and human. Saying he wins cos he's smarter without saying how is just baseless conjecture.

what about a fight between professional boxers/fighters? we see cases all the time where one fighter is fighting smarter than the other and wins. Ali vs Foreman comes to mind. being smarter can have a very distinct advantage no matter how hard you try to down play it with "animal vs human" theories

Faster at what? One can be faster at many different things and not as fast in other areas. He has better reflexes, which is a plus, but not an overwhelming advantage unless Cap have some sort of super speed that needs to be nullified. Doesn't make him hit faster.

Ozy has shown much faster speed than Cap at fighting and reflexes which gives him another advantage. he also has much better fighting skills. Cap def holds the advantage in the strength department but i dont think it will be enough to take Ozy for the majority.

id like to know who you think would win

Ozy beats the crap out of him.

Cap, Ozy's fight was staged

Ozy tosses cap around like he did the comedian.

Staged? NightOwl II and Rorschach were superhuman pros, throw in Silk Spectre II with a gun and it's a stomp.

Ozy handles Cap better than Loki did, and only because Loki wanted Cap to yield.

Cap was described by Black Widow as being "All over the place". And that against Ozy means dead or KO.

Originally posted by juggerman
what about a fight between professional boxers/fighters? we see cases all the time where one fighter is fighting smarter than the other and wins. Ali vs Foreman comes to mind. being smarter can have a very distinct advantage no matter how hard you try to down play it with "animal vs human" theories

Ozy has shown much faster speed than Cap at fighting and reflexes which gives him another advantage. he also has much better fighting skills. Cap def holds the advantage in the strength department but i dont think it will be enough to take Ozy for the majority.

id like to know who you think would win

It doesn't take a super genius to fight smarter. Fighting smarts is not the same as making intricate plans to save the world. Cap is a smart fighter too. And Ozy hasn't even needed to fight smarter since he's just so much more skilled, we never get a demonstration of it, aside from feigning I guess.

I do think he's faster, but not by as much as he demonstrated against night owl and co, they are not superhuman to the level of Cap. More skilled also. Cap have better soak, and strength, so he's not just gonna casually block his blows. Without shield I give it to Ozy. With shield idk. Havn't watched Cap's fights in a while. Prolly Ozy also.

Captain America wins.

Ozymandias has the reaction-time advantage, but Captain America has strength and durability, and above all else, heart.

Add the shield and this becomes a stomp.

And Ozy as smart as he is won't expect Cap to be able to ricochet his shield with the lethal accuracy that he has.

Originally posted by KingD19
And Ozy as smart as he is won't expect Cap to be able to ricochet his shield with the lethal accuracy that he has.

When did Cap ricochet a bullet on screen with accuracy back at his opponent?

Isn't that just a videogame feat?

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Ozy tosses cap around like he did the comedian.

At least that's how it was in the comics, and I thought it was also stated in the movies as well.

Cap is >>>>>>>>> Comedian.

His on-screen fight skills greatly say no.