Ozymandias vs Captain America

Originally posted by Newjak
So here's an extensive Cap feats list off the top of my head

Strength:

-Holding up the girls on the motorcycle effortlessly
-Tossing a guy some 15-20 feet up in the air while in water(That is really impressive actually)
-Bending a metal bar pretty easily
-Punching through a Mini-Submarine's window
-Managing to hold unto a mini plane's wing while it's flying
-Could easily pick up a human over his head and toss them

Agility:
Easily leaps from the tops of moving cars to other moving car tops
Jumped the from to rails in the factory. It was easily 30 feet possibly going on 60 feet my memory is a bit hazy.

Speed/Reaction feats:
-Able to temporarily keep up with a car
-Able to throw his shield with such timing he manages to use it keep a closing door open so he can chase down Red Skull
-He can see and react to a sniper in a tree that nobody else could see

And these are just from his own movie, he has some nice feats in the Avengers as well.

No one in the Watchmen Universe besides the obvious Dr. Manhattan was that physically capable nor is any of them particularly close. They are obviously superhuman but not on the same realm as Cap.

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Also he mentioned he has regeneration and enhanced healing powers. So add that to his strength and you can imagine the amount of punishment he must be able to take.

Oh and besides Dr. Manhattan and Ozzy I don't think anyone was "super" human in Watchmen. More like peak physical humans.

When did Cap mention he had a HF?

Originally posted by the ninjak
When did Cap mention he had a HF?

The scene where he's updet over Bucky's death and explains how he can't get drunk no matter how much he drinks.

Also makes sense since in TIH Blonsky using an imitation over the super soldier serum healed from a devastating killing blow from the Hulk (before he injected Hulk's blood and became Abom).

Originally posted by Newjak
So here's an extensive Cap feats list off the top of my head

Strength:

-Holding up the girls on the motorcycle effortlessly
-Tossing a guy some 15-20 feet up in the air while in water(That is really impressive actually)
-Bending a metal bar pretty easily
-Punching through a Mini-Submarine's window
-Managing to hold unto a mini plane's wing while it's flying
-Could easily pick up a human over his head and toss them

See above, I named quite a few of Ozy's strength feats too. Actually, I'll re-post them:

- He kicked Nite Owl and Rorschach and sent them flying 20'-30'.
- Grabbed Comedian (who's "built like a linebacker" ) and tossed him about 30' across the room into his dining table.
- Slammed Comedian's head through a marble countertop.
- Picked up Comedian and tossed him through plate glass (which "you'd have to step on the gas just to crack it"😉.
- Performed a Matrix-like jump across the room to stomp on and destroy Nite Owl's laser.

I don't see how Ozy's strength feats aren't in the same ballpark as Cap's.

Agility:
Easily leaps from the tops of moving cars to other moving car tops
Jumped the from to rails in the factory. It was easily 30 feet possibly going on 60 feet my memory is a bit hazy.

Ozy's got hops too. He jumped about what looks like 30-40 feet to stomp on Nite Owl's laser. Not to mention he jumped like 10 feet in the air to avoid Rorschach's initial attack.

Speed/Reaction feats:
-Able to temporarily keep up with a car
-Able to throw his shield with such timing he manages to use it keep a closing door open so he can chase down Red Skull
-He can see and react to a sniper in a tree that nobody else could see

And these are just from his own movie, he has some nice feats in the Avengers as well.

I'm afraid those don't really compare with Ozy's bullet catch as well as the bogus assassination scene, where he was moving at practically normal speeds while everyone else was virtually standing still.

No one in the Watchmen Universe besides the obvious Dr. Manhattan was that physically capable nor is any of them particularly close. They are obviously superhuman but not on the same realm as Cap.

I disagree. You're right about the other street-level Watchmen, but Ozy has comparable strength feats, and he has better speed, reaction, and agility feats.

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
See above, I named quite a few of Ozy's strength feats too. Actually, I'll re-post them:

I don't see how Ozy's strength feats aren't in the same ballpark as Cap's.

Ozy's got hops too. He jumped about what looks like 30-40 feet to stomp on Nite Owl's laser. Not to mention he jumped like 10 feet in the air to avoid Rorschach's initial attack.

I'm afraid those don't really compare with Ozy's bullet catch as well as the bogus assassination scene, where he was moving at practically normal speeds while everyone else was virtually standing still.

I disagree. You're right about the other street-level Watchmen, but Ozy has comparable strength feats, and he has better speed, reaction, and agility feats.

Being able to toss a human being from the water 15-20 feet up in the air without any ground for leverage is hell of a lot more impressive than anything Ozy did.

I put those reflex accuracy sense type stuff to go ahead and show he isn't slow and he can do incredible things with his senses.

And from memory I don't remember Ozzy doing anytype of acrobatics that compared to Cap but once again it's been awhile since I've seen the movie so I could be wrong.

If people forgot:

YouTube video

@ 2:33. he tosses Rorschach a good 40-50 feet.

Ozy better fight point blank

cap stronger but not overwhelmingly...

Captain America wins.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Captain America wins.

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Cap wins. He works out with Thor and Hulk for warm up.

Ozy wins: he crippled a god.

Ozy wins: he fought two superhumans, at once, and didn't even try.

Ozy wins: he outsmarted every last person on the planet.

Oxy wins: he can watch over 2 dozen TV programs at once...and that's just to relax after a long day.

Ozy wins: he's wearing body armor.

Ozy wins: he is so fast he can catch bullets.

Originally posted by Newjak
Being able to toss a human being from the water 15-20 feet up in the air without any ground for leverage is hell of a lot more impressive than anything Ozy did.

Ozy picking up the 225lb Comedian and tossing him through re-inforced plate glass window comes close to that feat. Happens at 2:08 of the video below:

YouTube video

He literally tossed him around like a rag doll.

I put those reflex accuracy sense type stuff to go ahead and show he isn't slow and he can do incredible things with his senses.

Yeah, Cap isn't slow, the car chase scene was pretty impressive. But most of Cap's speed and agility feats were running and jumping, not fighting. He's has much slower combat speed and reaction feats than Ozy.

And from memory I don't remember Ozzy doing anytype of acrobatics that compared to Cap but once again it's been awhile since I've seen the movie so I could be wrong.

I don't think he had many acrobatic feats, but he could jump extremely high and far (way beyond any normal or peak human).

Cap just doesn't have the speed and combat skill to win this IMO. I agree with Robtard's assessment of the fight: it'll be like Ozy vs. Comedian, but much more drawn out.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
Ozy better fight point blank

cap stronger but not overwhelmingly...

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Captain America's fist staggered and made Loki wince.

Being sprayed by bullets couldn't even slow Loki down.

Clearly Cap's fist>>Bullets. 😄

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Ozy picking up the 225lb Comedian and tossing him through re-inforced plate glass window comes close to that feat.

Nah it's not close. Cap didn't throw an object through glass. He punched through the glass cover of a submarine himself.

He threw a man Vertically upwards from underwater a good 20 feet.

He was lifting 3 women on a motorcycle for an undefined amount of time with the up most of ease.

So Ozy's strength feats do not come close to Cap's (and Ozy's durability feats are nil which I will get to in a sec). Cap would throw around the guys that Ozzy did with utter ease considering his feats.

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Yeah, Cap isn't slow, the car chase scene was pretty impressive. But most of Cap's speed and agility feats were running and jumping, not fighting. He's has much slower combat speed and reaction feats than Ozy.

Cap's clearly much faster than the opponents Ozzy has fought, so it would be silly to assume he would blitz Cap the way he blitzed those none super powered opponents.

And if we're going by the "if we don't have feats we assume he can't do it" line of thought, then Ozzy has literally zero durability feats.

So chances are one good punch from Cap could take him down. And if not, then it's pretty certain a good hit from Cap's shiled would.

On the other hand Cap has taken punches from the Red Skull (who punches holes in bullet proof shields) responding "I can do this all day.." and has taken an alien laser blast to the stomach, yet got up a few seconds later to carry on fighting.

So bearing in mind that, his strength, his apparent healing abilities and of course having his shield for protection, chances are he could take a good punishment from Ozzy, whilst the reverse can not be said.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ozy wins: he crippled a god.

Not in a fight he didn't. He never went toe to toe with Dr. Manhattan. He wasn't capable of doing that.

Whilst Cap actually did go toe to toe with a God- Loki, and did stagger him, and dodged some of his hits.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ozy wins: he fought two superhumans, at once, and didn't even try.

Neither were "super" human.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ozy wins: he outsmarted every last person on the planet.

Not relevant.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Oxy wins: he can watch over 2 dozen TV programs at once...and that's just to relax after a long day.

Not relevant.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ozy wins: he's wearing body armor.

So does Cap.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Ozy wins: he is so fast he can catch bullets.

Finally we have a good argument here.

Yes Ozzy is faster, but Cap is not slow.

Just like Cap is stronger, although Ozzy is hardly weak.

What I think will make the difference is durability which goes to Cap. And Cap's invulnerable shield will also help him win the fight.

i dont recall any h2h or combat speed feats that suggest Cap would land a single hit on Ozy.

Ozy would just beat Cap retarded (which would probably take a long time since Cap is super and all)

Originally posted by juggerman
i dont recall any h2h or combat speed feats that suggest Cap would land a single hit on Ozy.

Ozy would just beat Cap retarded (which would probably take a long time since Cap is super and all)

That's because your comment is true.

Cap in his films barely showed the skill and speed necessary to defeat Ozy, it's true. Cap can't display the techniques required to defeat Ozy in H2H combat.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not in a fight he didn't. He never went toe to toe with Dr. Manhattan. He wasn't capable of doing that.

Ozy wins: he crippled a god. He crippled Dr. Manhattan's future vision.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Whilst Cap actually did go toe to toe with a God- Loki, and did stagger him, and dodged some of his hits.

Correction: the early primitive humans thought they were gods. He is not actually a god and Dr. Manhattan could defeat Loki in an instance with a vape.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Neither were "super" human.

Both were superhuman. Go with what was seen on screen: not statements in the comics.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not relevant.

Directly relevant: unless you want to remove one of the primary strengths of the opposing character just so you can have your favorite win (of course that's what you're doing. lol!)

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Not relevant.

Directly relevant: shows his ability to focus on multiple things at once is absurdly superhuman. Directly relevant to a fight.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
So does Cap.

No he doesn't. He has a shield: not body armor.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Finally we have a good argument here.

They were all good arguments and all stand alone as singular instances of how he could win.

They were all perfect points that could not be debated.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes Ozzy is faster, but Cap is not slow.

That's not saying much. That's like saying I am not slow.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Just like Cap is stronger, although Ozzy is hardly weak.

I cannot conclude that the Captain is stronger. I can debate both sides.

Just to give the Captain fanboys SOMETHING, I'll give them the edge in strength.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
What I think will make the difference is durability which goes to Cap. And Cap's invulnerable shield will also help him win the fight.

Incorrect. Durability goes to Ozy in spades.

Captain's shield would make a difference.......if he had enough speed to even use it to his advantage.

Cap has never shown any combat knowledge other than brute strength which won't matter here considering hes not that much stronger than Ozy in the first place...