Ozymandias vs Captain America

There first go around the Comedian beat him badly, it was only after that that Ozy trained and got better plus he knew exactly how the Comedian was going to fight cause he did the samething everytime according to Oz.

At least that's how it was in the comics, and I thought it was also stated in the movies as well.

Cap is >>>>>>>>> Comedian.

They never said anything about a previous fight between the two in the film.

And Cap has no real fighting ability besides what he has picked up on his own during WWII. Comedian had much more training and skill than Captain America and still was completely destroyed by Ozy

I say Cap.

A lot stronger. Not as fast reflexes but still fast enough. Agile. And people who think Cap never got any good combat training are kidding themselves. He's a soldier. They don't have to show everything. Being a good fighter is an intregal part of being Cap, and I've heard there will be flash backs in the next movie.

Add in the shield and I think Cap takes this comfortably. He can block all Ozy's punches with his shield, and do some serious damage hitting him with it (especially considering his far greater strength).

Originally posted by NemeBro
Captain America wins.

Ozymandias has the reaction-time advantage, but Captain America has strength and durability, and above all else, heart.

Add the shield and this becomes a stomp.

CA's strength advantage and great durability won't matter when he won't be able to land a single blow on Ozy.

Ozy's fight with NO and Rors showed he can casually defend against two very capable opponents while not trying to overly harm them and while having a mostly one-way conversation. Fully focused and trying to kill, he wears cap down via blow after blow. It'll be like his fight with Comedian, just a lot longer.

His homosexual-esque suit also apparently adds a high degree of protection, should CA manage to get a hit in.

People acting like Cap is not a good fighter should rewatch the Avengers. He was doing really well battling and fighting the horde of Aliens.

He had more than enough reflexes to block their incoming fire.

when has he shown any actual fighting ability? if i was way stronger/faster than my opponents id stomp too but that doesnt mean i have any skill. Superman suffered from this problem for years

Originally posted by Newjak
People acting like Cap is not a good fighter should rewatch the Avengers. He was doing really well battling and fighting the horde of Aliens.

He had more than enough reflexes to block their incoming fire.

No he really didn't show fighting skills even close to the level of Ozymandias in Avengers. He was shocking in his fight with Loki. And the shield blocked all the gunfire from the dim-witted aliens.

Even worse in his solo film.

People argue the strength factor. What has Cap done?
Bent a 1 or 2 inch hollow steel pipe. Jumped really far. And struck an Alien with the shield 5 mtrs back.

Ozy has insane feats of his own. He didn't have regular human strength. I will agree he isn't as strong as Cap. But the difference is overwhelmed by Ozy's vaster fighting and processing skills.

Cap lifted a full sized Harley with 3 women sitting on it. Let's say on average a healthy woman is 120lbs. Any less and you start getting towards anorexic territory. A bike back then could weigh around 550lbs, so that's 910lbs, nearly 1000lbs being extended and pressed above his head for an extended amount of time.

He also ripped off a cab door and punched a hole in the canopy of a mini-sub meant to withstand deep sea pressures. As well as knocking a soldier somewhere in the neighborhood of Ozy's kick that sent NO and Rorshcach, except Cap did it with a shield backhand.

nvm.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap lifted a full sized Harley with 3 women sitting on it. Let's say on average a healthy woman is 120lbs. Any less and you start getting towards anorexic territory. A bike back then could weigh around 550lbs, so that's 910lbs, nearly 1000lbs being extended and pressed above his head for an extended amount of time.

He also ripped off a cab door and punched a hole in the canopy of a mini-sub meant to withstand deep sea pressures. As well as knocking a soldier somewhere in the neighborhood of Ozy's kick that sent NO and Rorshcach, except Cap did it with a shield backhand.

Dammmmmn! All I remember of Ozy was jumping through the air, blocking punches from a guy who punched through rock pillars, and the chair feat. I forgot about the bike musical feat. But then again I never said Ozy was stronger.

God Cap had terrible fight scenes in his two films. I still give Ozy the skill factor though. By a long shot.

i still highly doubt Cap would hit Ozy once.

Ozy definitely has skill. I never doubted that. Military combat training was lauded for it's martial arts effectiveness back in the day.

Originally posted by KingD19
Cap lifted a full sized Harley with 3 women sitting on it. Let's say on average a healthy woman is 120lbs. Any less and you start getting towards anorexic territory. A bike back then could weigh around 550lbs, so that's 910lbs, nearly 1000lbs being extended and pressed above his head for an extended amount of time.

He also ripped off a cab door and punched a hole in the canopy of a mini-sub meant to withstand deep sea pressures. As well as knocking a soldier somewhere in the neighborhood of Ozy's kick that sent NO and Rorshcach, except Cap did it with a shield backhand.

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Not to mention he was lifting the bike and 3 women with ease and for an unknown period of time.

Oh and there was the smashing the boxing bag.

Originally posted by juggerman
i still highly doubt Cap would hit Ozy once.

Aside from catching the bullet, I don't remember this amazing combat speed displayed by Ozzy. As for his great combat skills, he was fighting 2 people neither of whom had superhuman strength or speed.

Something else people are neglecting aside from Cap's invulnerable shield, is his healing powers that were mentioned.

I think part of the problem why people don't think much of Cap's abilities is the movies just didn't do a good job of portraying his powers properly. Unlike Blade for instance.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER

Aside from catching the bullet, I don't remember this amazing combat speed displayed by Ozzy. As for his great combat skills, he was fighting 2 people neither of whom had superhuman strength or speed.

He also caught the thrown butcher knife by the handle at a moments notice.

I don't think CA showed fighting speed above what Nightowl and Rorschach put out, unless I'm forgetting a scene from the films?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
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Not to mention he was lifting the bike and 3 women with ease and for an unknown period of time.

Oh and there was the smashing the boxing bag.

Ozy has his own degree of superhuman strength too.

- He kicked Nite Owl and Rorschach and sent them flying 20'-30'.
- Grabbed Comedian (who's "built like a linebacker" ) and tossed him about 30' across the room into his dining table.
- Slammed Comedian's head through a marble countertop.
- Picked up Comedian and tossed him through plate glass (which "you'd have to step on the gas just to crack it"😉.
- Performed a Matrix-like jump across the room to stomp on and destroy Nite Owl's laser.

I agree, Cap is stronger, but Ozy isn't far off.

Aside from catching the bullet, I don't remember this amazing combat speed displayed by Ozzy. As for his great combat skills, he was fighting 2 people neither of whom had superhuman strength or speed.

Nite Owl was causing compound fractures with punches, and Rorschach has insane durability. Both of them were able to clear giant groups of thugs with considerable ease. And Ozy handled both of them like children.

Something else people are neglecting aside from Cap's invulnerable shield, is his healing powers that were mentioned.

If you're talking about Blonsky from Incredible Hulk, then yeah, Cap probably has it too. But it's not potent enough to be a factor in this fight.

I think part of the problem why people don't think much of Cap's abilities is the movies just didn't do a good job of portraying his powers properly. Unlike Blade for instance.

I agree, Cap mainly just shoulder-blocked people and hit them with his shield. The fight scenes were slow and sloppy, especially his fight with Loki. I really wish we saw Cap fight like this. Now that would have been awesome 😄

But as it stands, Ozy wins. Not as strong, but difference isn't that great, and he's clearly superior in terms of speed and skill.

Originally posted by DarkNemesis
Ozy has his own degree of superhuman strength too.

- He kicked Nite Owl and Rorschach and sent them flying 20'-30'.
- Grabbed Comedian (who's "built like a linebacker" ) and tossed him about 30' across the room into his dining table.
- Slammed Comedian's head through a marble countertop.
- Picked up Comedian and tossed him through plate glass (which "you'd have to step on the gas just to crack it"😉.
- Performed a Matrix-like jump across the room to stomp on and destroy Nite Owl's laser.

I agree, Cap is stronger, but Ozy isn't far off.

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Nite Owl was causing compound fractures with punches, and Rorschach has insane durability. Both of them were able to clear giant groups of thugs with considerable ease. And Ozy handled both of them like children.

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If you're talking about Blonsky from Incredible Hulk, then yeah, Cap probably has it too. But it's not potent enough to be a factor in this fight.

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I agree, Cap mainly just shoulder-blocked people and hit them with his shield. The fight scenes were slow and sloppy, especially his fight with Loki. I really wish we saw Cap fight like this. Now that would have been awesome 😄

But as it stands, Ozy wins. Not as strong, but difference isn't that great, and he's clearly superior in terms of speed and skill.

Uhhhh...

What this guy said.

I also do not think Ozy is very far off from Cap's strength level.

The cavalry has arrived. 😄

Where the hell you been Dadudemon?

Originally posted by the ninjak
The cavalry has arrived. 😄

Where the hell you been Dadudemon?

All over the place. But I do stop by around here.

It is just not as fun without Borbarad, RJ, and AC posting in here.

Quanchi did bring some life back to this place, though.

Yeah Quanchi was funny. He can't handle movies though. Comics are full of loopholes. Movies are all about vision.

I play both fields.

Originally posted by dadudemon

I also do not think Ozy is very far off from Cap's strength level.

From what I remember there's no comparison in Strength.

Cap's strength feats have been listed above. What's Ozy's greatest strength feat?

Originally posted by DarkNemesis

I agree, Cap mainly just shoulder-blocked people and hit them with his shield. The fight scenes were slow and sloppy, especially his fight with Loki. I really wish we saw Cap fight like this. Now that would have been awesome 😄

Awsome. Yes your right that's how it should have been portrayed. I've mentioned that since I first saw Cap, that the movie's biggest weakness was there was no amazing action scene of him displaying his powers.

I had serious doubts about the film when I saw the trailer, and we see him just walk into a room with a gun and start shooting away exactly like a regular soldier would.

So here's an extensive Cap feats list off the top of my head

Strength:

-Holding up the girls on the motorcycle effortlessly
-Tossing a guy some 15-20 feet up in the air while in water(That is really impressive actually)
-Bending a metal bar pretty easily
-Punching through a Mini-Submarine's window
-Managing to hold unto a mini plane's wing while it's flying
-Could easily pick up a human over his head and toss them

Agility:
Easily leaps from the tops of moving cars to other moving car tops
Jumped the from to rails in the factory. It was easily 30 feet possibly going on 60 feet my memory is a bit hazy.

Speed/Reaction feats:
-Able to temporarily keep up with a car
-Able to throw his shield with such timing he manages to use it keep a closing door open so he can chase down Red Skull
-He can see and react to a sniper in a tree that nobody else could see

And these are just from his own movie, he has some nice feats in the Avengers as well.

No one in the Watchmen Universe besides the obvious Dr. Manhattan was that physically capable nor is any of them particularly close. They are obviously superhuman but not on the same realm as Cap.