Cap took a beam that was incinerating people and blowing up cars as well as digging out chunks of concrete, stood right back up. He also got shot 2 or 3 times as well as stabbed and while injured, was still capable of holding a fully grown man(with a metal arm) off the ground with one hand, and lifting a beam that had to weigh several hundred pounds if not a ton or more off of Bucky.
He can certainly take the blunt force trauma which is the only thing in Ozy's arsenal.
And the point I was making it saying he got hurt by bullets is pointless since so did Ozy.
Dude, I am not saying Ozy is going to win, come on. All I am doing is pointing out that Cap isn't as beastly tough as Nemebro was making him out to be or how he appeared in Avengers. He can still be hurt by normal weapons.
I don't care that Ozymandias can be hurt by bullets. I'm not talking about this fight.
Originally posted by NephthysActually according to his feats, he is that tough.
Dude, I am not saying Ozy is going to win, come on. All I am doing is pointing out that Cap isn't as beastly tough as Nemebro was making him out to be or how he appeared in Avengers. He can still be hurt by normal weapons.I don't care that Ozymandias can be hurt by bullets. I'm not talking about this fight.
Ozy is faster. The dude had good enough reflexes to catch a bullet, which is a bit above Cap. He was also strong enough to send grown men soaring 20+ feat back, and beat the holy hell out of both of them in a fight (and both of them took out groups of men in fights more handily than Cap did in the elevator, though in Caps defense those were all SHIELD agents).
Cap may be a little bit stronger than Ozy, but Ozy is a much more skilled fighter, and a lot faster than Cap or anyone he's faced. I'm not sure why people are saying Cap wins this. He's good, but he's no Ozymandias. This is a good win for Ozy.
Originally posted by RobtardHe still felt hits from Batroc pretty well. Ya, be beat him without massive amounts of effort, but Ozy is leagues above Batroc in strength, speed, and skill.
A little bit stronger? He lifted a good 10 tons worth of steel support structure several inches off the ground.
The beam was impressive, but Caps hits on people with the shield sent people soaring less distance than Ozy did with his hits. They cant be too far off from eachother strength wise. I also remember some of the SHIELD agents took a few hits from Cap and kept going, just like Batroc did. Every one of them are a far cry from Ozy.
I don't see Cap being quick enough to tag Ozy enough times before Ozy gets enough hits to wear him down and knock him out.
Originally posted by Arachnid1I don't see Cap being quick enough to tag Ozy enough times before Ozy gets enough hits to wear him down and knock him out.
You have lost your mind. Captain would murder Ozy, that Batroc scene is the most over exaggerated story of a lifetime people. I've never seen this much fanboy wanking since Avengers came out.
He beat Winder Solider down, broke his human arm and then gave up and let WS whale on him with his strong arm and it still could not knock him out cold.
Get a grip on life dude.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
You have lost your mind. Captain would murder Ozy, that Batroc scene is the most over exaggerated story of a lifetime people. I've never seen this much fanboy wanking since Avengers came out.He beat Winder Solider down, broke his human arm and then gave up and let WS whale on him with his strong arm and it still could not knock him out cold.
Get a grip on life dude.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
👆He certainly has if he thinks Ozy is "almost" as strong as Cap and wins because he's "a little faster" and "a better fighter" LOL
You two are 16 years old max. No need to be *ssholes about your opinions.
And I was stating it lightly to avoid shit responses like yours. Ozy is significantly faster and more skilled than Cap. He has a small amount of super speed, and superhuman reaction time. He's also a very skilled martial artist, unlike movie Cap who has had no martial arts training. He's definitely strong enough to hurt Cap, since normal people seem to be and Ozy is way above normal people. And the fact that Cap was taking multiple hits from it like that actually says a lot about how "strong" it is. All that combined shows you are seriously underestimating Ozy.
Originally posted by EpicurusYour right about being stronger than Batroc, but I'm not sure about more skilled (Batroc was a normal human who was skilled enough to give Cap a good fight) and if he's faster (and he did seem to be), it was only slight difference. He seemed like he was able to put out more damage and take more damage than Batroc, but was still all around below Cap. Speed wise, none of them seem to be too unbelievable.
So was the Winter Soldier. Heck, he even had cybernetic-enhancements which seemed to give him a marginal strength edge over Cap.Yet Cap still beat him and almost killed him in their final h2h fight.
Don't bring up Ozy's bullet catch like it was some insane feat. Silk Spectre pulled out the gun and aimed it directly at him, then talked to him for a bit. Ozy's a genius and had more than enough time to aim dodge so to speak. All he did was put his armored hand in front of the path the bullet would take like a split second before she fired.
Originally posted by KingD19Except you clearly see him start moving AFTER she fired, which makes this a legitimate bullet time feat. You can even hear the exact moment when he catches it.
Don't bring up Ozy's bullet catch like it was some insane feat. Silk Spectre pulled out the gun and aimed it directly at him, then talked to him for a bit. Ozy's a genius and had more than enough time to aim dodge so to speak. All he did was put his armored hand in front of the path the bullet would take like a split second before she fired.
He did the same in the comics, except with a completely bare hand. I'm not sure why the movie gave him the fancy (I'm assuming armored costume, though that looks like leather) costume for that.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Your right about being stronger than Batroc, but I'm not sure about more skilled (Batroc was a normal human who was skilled enough to give Cap a good fight) and if he's faster (and he did seem to be), it was only slight difference. He seemed like he was able to put out more damage and take more damage than Batroc, but was still all around below Cap. Speed wise, none of them seem to be too unbelievable.
Cap completely outclasses Veidt here, and you using the Batroc feat to downgrade Cap's actual superhuman capability is an awful tactic.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
You two are 16 years old max. No need to be *ssholes about your opinions.And I was stating it lightly to avoid shit responses like yours. Ozy is significantly faster and more skilled than Cap. He has a small amount of super speed, and superhuman reaction time. He's also a very skilled martial artist, unlike movie Cap who has had no martial arts training. He's definitely strong enough to hurt Cap, since normal people seem to be and Ozy is way above normal people. And the fact that Cap was taking multiple hits from it like that actually says a lot about how "strong" it is. All that combined shows you are seriously underestimating Ozy.
Your right about being stronger than Batroc, but I'm not sure about more skilled (Batroc was a normal human who was skilled enough to give Cap a good fight) and if he's faster (and he did seem to be), it was only slight difference. He seemed like he was able to put out more damage and take more damage than Batroc, but was still all around below Cap. Speed wise, none of them seem to be too unbelievable.
No your over exaggerating Ozzy and under estimating Cap by using your fan boy Batroc to downgrade feats. Who's the 16 year old here, the guy who likes some wanker from the beginning of the movie that got his ass beat or standing behind true feats like Captain America and not downplaying them. Ozzy is no where on Cap's level and your trying to insinuate that he is by some kick flips from a french fly.
Originally posted by Epicurus
s Veidt here, and you using the Batroc feat to downgrade Cap's actual superhuman capability is an awful tactic.
People been Batroc wanking to downgrade feats since that guy showed up on screen, its like there only hope to get revenge on all the characters they hate the most. And the dude got his ass beat.
Originally posted by Time Immemorial
No your over exaggerating Ozzy and under estimating Cap by using your fan boy Batroc to downgrade feats. Who's the 16 year old here, the guy who likes some wanker from the beginning of the movie that got his ass beat or standing behind true feats like Captain America and not downplaying them. Ozzy is no where on Cap's level and your trying to insinuate that he is by some kick flips from a french fly.People been Batroc wanking to downgrade feats since that guy showed up on screen, its like there only hope to get revenge on all the characters they hate the most. And the dude got his ass beat.
I'm not using Batroc to downgrade Cap, I'm using him to make a point. Batroc was fast and strong enough to lay hits that Cap felt. Cap was mostly on the defense in the beginning of that fight, but put his shield away and went full out offense at the end to barrel Batroc through a door, knocking him out (and I'm assuming the collision of the back of his head with the door knocked him out, not caps tackle to his body). Cap wasn't holding back, he just changed fighting tactics because it wasn't going as well before. Speed wise he was making an active effort to block/not get hit by him. Yes, he lost pretty handily to Cap, but he is no Veidt. You have yet to give ANY speed or reaction feats on Ozy's level. Ozy is also definitely more than strong enough to hurt Cap. Cap will never land a hit on him, and will spend a good minute or two getting peppered with hits that are as hard if not harder than Winter Soldiers before he gets KOed.
The only edge Cap has here is strength. Not speed, skill, or reaction time. All of those are categories Cap is massively outclassed in.
Originally posted by EpicurusThere were ten SHIELD men in that elevator max. Its impressive that Cap took them out, but he struggled greatly. They got close enough to winning for Cap to completely bail out of the elevator when he saw more show up. He knew he couldn't take an encounter like that again. We also have no idea how strong the magnetic handcuff was. We know its used to holding down normal humans though. Thats not much of a strength feet. The beam was impressive, but not 10 tons. A car is from 1.5-2 tons. I doubt that beam is as heavy as 5-7 stacked cars. That beam is 3 tons max.
Cap was clearly holding back. We see that when Cap stops holding back, he can almost kill a quasi-superhuman who has been augmented to his own level. Cap also overpowered two dozen armed, trained HYDRA/SHIELD men in a cramped space within the elevator shaft. Cap's strength was enough to overcome the magnetic handcuff and that 10 ton iron beam. Cap also did that 26 mph sprint around the lake in the beginning of the movie. Lol at you claiming that speed for Cap isn't unbelievable.Cap completely outclasses Veidt here, and you using the Batroc feat to downgrade Cap's actual superhuman capability is an awful tactic.
He lapped up Falcon a few times who had a light jog going. There are humans that sprint faster than that. Hell, his sprint around the cruiser is possible by normal human standards (because that was Christ Evans sprinting around). That was not 26 miles per hour. Also, Usain Bolts top recorded speed is 27.44 miles per hour, so 26 is definitely within the possible human realm, even if he was going that fast. Ozy was known for keeping himself in the perfect human physical and mental condition through training. He even managed to get himself above the realms of possible human condition (because f*ck logic, its a comic book). And I was talking about combat speed, which so far isn't impressive for cap. Veidt on the other hand, moved fast enough to throw up his hands from their sides to catch a bullet AFTER it was shot which also implies the ability to perceive, process, and react to information on super human levels.
And we've seen no feats from Winter Soldier to say that has been augmented caps level in terms of strength. In fact, cap was able to outgrapple him, break his arm, and choke him out when the fight got taken to the ground. He was deadly because of his use of firearms, but he's psychically below cap (though he matches him in combat speed and matches or outclasses him in skill which is why he was able to go toe to toe with time I'm thinking; that and the metal arm). I don't remember Bucky sending people soaring 20-40 feet with his hits like Cap and Ozy do semi-casually, and Cap broke his human arm waaaay to easily for him to have super strength on Caps level. I think the only really augmented part of his body was his arm. Otherwise, he was really skilled with fire arms, peak human (I think) in strength and speed (like Batroc, though Batroc was a bit below), and could take damage. Bucky didn't have any amazing feats that I can recall outside of being able to go toe to toe with Cap and put up a better fight than Batroc before losing. Bucky and Batroc are both a far drop from Veidt or Cap in every stats category. Cap is above all of them in strength. Veidt is above all of them in skill, speed, and reaction time, which is the deciding factor here. That is why he wins.
Originally posted by NemeBroI've noticed I usually agree with you Nemebro but you're wrong here.
Ozymandias would punch Cap and Cap would take it to the chin with a smile.He'd then beat Ozymandias to death.
Ozymandias would punch cap sending cap soaring 30 feet backwards. He would then sprint up and send a flurry of equally hard punches to Caps face so fast Cap wouldn't even be able to react before he gets KOed and proceeds to get his skull caved it.