Originally posted by NemeBroEvery post I've put up so far proves the exact opposite of that happens. Whats the point of arguing against 4 other people if they are all just ignore your words and stick to their opinions? There is no way to win an argument like this.
No, I'm not.Captain America took a shot that vaporized people and shrugged it off.
He beats Ozymandias to death with his bare hands, forcing him to the ground and sodomizing him while Ozymandias helplessly screams for him to stop, flailing impotently at Cap's iron-hard chest and back.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
Every post I've put up so far proves the exact opposite of that happens. Whats the point of arguing against 4 other people if they are all just ignore your words and stick to their opinions? There is no way to win an argument like this.
So Ozy can shrug of chitari weapons blasts now? You know your wrong but you wont admit it, Ozy loses this and that the only way it. He's got a few good feats against weaker opponents and your making him to be Captain America level.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I've noticed I usually agree with you Nemebro but you're wrong here.Ozymandias would punch cap sending cap soaring 30 feet backwards. He would then sprint up and send a flurry of equally hard punches to Caps face so fast Cap wouldn't even be able to react before he gets KOed and proceeds to get his skull caved it.
So Cap can take a bionic arm bashing him without KO or even a broken nose, but Ozy is going to have his skull caved in?
Originally posted by Arachnid1
I'm no Batroc fanboy. That dudes not even in my top 100 villains (not that I've made a list, but it wouldn't be a hard list to make). You're someone who saw Winter Soldier recently and are on some kind of Captain America blockbuster high. That's understandable, because it was a great movie, but try to think through this clearly.I'm not using Batroc to downgrade Cap, I'm using him to make a point. Batroc was fast and strong enough to lay hits that Cap felt. Cap was mostly on the defense in the beginning of that fight, but put his shield away and went full out offense at the end to barrel Batroc through a door, knocking him out (and I'm assuming the collision of the back of his head with the door knocked him out, not caps tackle to his body). Cap wasn't holding back, he just changed fighting tactics because it wasn't going as well before. Speed wise he was making an active effort to block/not get hit by him. Yes, he lost pretty handily to Cap, but he is no Veidt. You have yet to give ANY speed or reaction feats on Ozy's level. Ozy is also definitely more than strong enough to hurt Cap. Cap will never land a hit on him, and will spend a good minute or two getting peppered with hits that are as hard if not harder than Winter Soldiers before he gets KOed.
The only edge Cap has here is strength. Not speed, skill, or reaction time. All of those are categories Cap is massively outclassed in.
There were ten SHIELD men in that elevator max. Its impressive that Cap took them out, but he struggled greatly. They got close enough to winning for Cap to completely bail out of the elevator when he saw more show up. He knew he couldn't take an encounter like that again. We also have no idea how strong the magnetic handcuff was. We know its used to holding down normal humans though. Thats not much of a strength feet. The beam was impressive, but not 10 tons. A car is from 1.5-2 tons. I doubt that beam is as heavy as 5-7 stacked cars. That beam is 3 tons max.
He lapped up Falcon a few times who had a light jog going. There are humans that sprint faster than that. Hell, his sprint around the cruiser is possible by normal human standards (because that was Christ Evans sprinting around). That was not 26 miles per hour. Also, Usain Bolts top recorded speed is 27.44 miles per hour, so 26 is definitely within the possible human realm, even if he was going that fast. Ozy was known for keeping himself in the perfect human physical and mental condition through training. He even managed to get himself above the realms of possible human condition (because f*ck logic, its a comic book). And I was talking about combat speed, which so far isn't impressive for cap. Veidt on the other hand, moved fast enough to throw up his hands from their sides to catch a bullet AFTER it was shot which also implies the ability to perceive, process, and react to information on super human levels.
And we've seen no feats from Winter Soldier to say that has been augmented caps level in terms of strength. In fact, cap was able to outgrapple him, break his arm, and choke him out when the fight got taken to the ground. He was deadly because of his use of firearms, but he's psychically below cap (though he matches him in combat speed and matches or outclasses him in skill which is why he was able to go toe to toe with time I'm thinking; that and the metal arm). I don't remember Bucky sending people soaring 20-40 feet with his hits like Cap and Ozy do semi-casually, and Cap broke his human arm waaaay to easily for him to have super strength on Caps level. I think the only really augmented part of his body was his arm. Otherwise, he was really skilled with fire arms, peak human (I think) in strength and speed (like Batroc, though Batroc was a bit below), and could take damage. Bucky didn't have any amazing feats that I can recall outside of being able to go toe to toe with Cap and put up a better fight than Batroc before losing. Bucky and Batroc are both a far drop from Veidt or Cap in every stats category. Cap is above all of them in strength. Veidt is above all of them in skill, speed, and reaction time, which is the deciding factor here. That is why he wins.
you're so wrong it isn't even funny
first Veidt is more in the level of Batroc then he is Bucky let alone Cap
first whilst cap may have steamrolled him after he got his head in gear the fact Batroc put in a good showing was a high from him not a low from Cap and is true to the source material
and you seem to be forgetting that Cap utterly mullered a ship of mercs with no one raising an alarm so saying he isn't fast is bollocks
also durability he has durability in spades compared to Veidt
the only reason why cap bailed out the lift (another great durability feat) was cos he is many things but bullet proof is not one of them
Originally posted by Arachnid1
There were ten SHIELD men in that elevator max. Its impressive that Cap took them out, but he struggled greatly. They got close enough to winning for Cap to completely bail out of the elevator when he saw more show up. He knew he couldn't take an encounter like that again. We also have no idea how strong the magnetic handcuff was. We know its used to holding down normal humans though. Thats not much of a strength feet. The beam was impressive, but not 10 tons. A car is from 1.5-2 tons. I doubt that beam is as heavy as 5-7 stacked cars. That beam is 3 tons max.He lapped up Falcon a few times who had a light jog going. There are humans that sprint faster than that. Hell, his sprint around the cruiser is possible by normal human standards (because that was Christ Evans sprinting around). That was not 26 miles per hour. Also, Usain Bolts top recorded speed is 27.44 miles per hour, so 26 is definitely within the possible human realm, even if he was going that fast. Ozy was known for keeping himself in the perfect human physical and mental condition through training. He even managed to get himself above the realms of possible human condition (because f*ck logic, its a comic book). And I was talking about combat speed, which so far isn't impressive for cap. Veidt on the other hand, moved fast enough to throw up his hands from their sides to catch a bullet AFTER it was shot which also implies the ability to perceive, process, and react to information on super human levels.
And we've seen no feats from Winter Soldier to say that has been augmented caps level in terms of strength. In fact, cap was able to outgrapple him, break his arm, and choke him out when the fight got taken to the ground. He was deadly because of his use of firearms, but he's psychically below cap (though he matches him in combat speed and matches or outclasses him in skill which is why he was able to go toe to toe with time I'm thinking; that and the metal arm). I don't remember Bucky sending people soaring 20-40 feet with his hits like Cap and Ozy do semi-casually, and Cap broke his human arm way to easily for him to have super strength on Caps level. I think the only really augmented part of his body was his arm. Otherwise, he was really skilled with fire arms, peak human (I think) in strength and speed (like Batroc, though Batroc was a bit below), and could take damage. Bucky didn't have any amazing feats that I can recall outside of being able to go toe to toe with Cap and put up a better fight than Batroc before losing. Bucky and Batroc are both a far drop from Veidt or Cap in every stats category. Cap is above all of them in strength. Veidt is above all of them in skill, speed, and reaction time, which is the deciding factor here. That is why he wins.
Yeah, and it should be noted that that wasn't even particularly fast for Cap. Lol, prior to Usain Bolt making his latest record, 26 mph was considered the absolute peak speed that a trained human athlete could achieve. What the f*ck? You're now confusing the character with the actor? Might as well start claiming that that was Chris Evans who Hulked through that Hospital corridor while chasing Bucky, or that it was Chris Evans who beat up George St. Pierre. Because it absolutely makes sense to dismiss the feats of a character by claiming that it was performed by their actor. What a bullshit point to make. 😂
This isn't a comic book, mon ami. And while Ozzy managed to get himself above the realm of the human phyicality, Cap has been that way for the last 60 years.
Yeah, apart from all the instances where he ripped off the doors and shielded windows attached to armored vehicles, or the time when he threw back Cap's shield from a good 100 yards away and it still pushed Cap back by several feet. Or when he overpowered the propulsive force of Falcon's jet engine when he managed to catch the latter's wings with his rope hook. But do go ahead and claim we don't know the force produced by the super-jetpack, since you're particularly good at dismissing and lowballing the crap out of Cap's feats, so the same should apply to his top opponent as well. Not to mention that the Winter Soldier isn't the only superhuman that Cap has faced, seeing that he was able to briefly hold his own against a powerful Asgardian like Loki in the Avengers.
Cap overwhelming Bucky in the final fight is supposed to be proof of Bucky having no augmented strength/speed how exactly? Nevermind the awful amounts of circular logic being applied here, I want you to tell me that Cap cutting lose and defeating Bucky in a long drawn h2h match is a bad feat for Bucky how exactly, since it makes Cap look bad by proxy as well going by your fecal line of reasoning.
He was deadly because he was a highly well-trained assassin with cybernetic-enhancements, peak h2h training, and augmented senses/physicality. Along with being a virtual biological computer that could be programmed by HYDRA's torture devices.
Of course you don't, since sending people soaring 20 feet away is the be all and end all of superhuman strength capability. You make one awful point after another, completely unabashedly as well.
Lol, Cap used his legs to break Bucky's human arm. Both Cap and Bucky had a number of feats indicating low-level superstrength, so Cap using the stronger muscles of thighs to put Bucky in a jiujitsu hold and cripple his human arm is completely within the realm of possibility.
Lol, he was well beyond Batroc in terms of both strength and skill. Batroc was Black Widow level based on feats, and Cap was clearly holding back as he didn't want to kill him. Not to mention that Batroc was eventually captured by Pierce's men, while Cap beat those same men down.
Lol, Veidt is well beyond Cap, Bukcy and the rest of them? GTFO of here, dude. You've descended from ignorance-based hilarity to downright trollery. What a goof.😂
Ozymandias knocking around Night Owl and Rorscach like he did are impressive strength feats but Steve was casually tossing fully armored soldiers like 20 feet into the air with one arm in the first movie. And Bucky kicking that pilot into the jet engine was right up there in regards to strength.
I'd put Bucky on the same level as Ozymandias physically. Except Bucky has a cybernetic arm.
Tbh, that shield toss that sent Steve sliding back is a far better strength feat then anything Ozymandias did imho.
Originally posted by juggerman
They never said anything about a previous fight between the two in the film.And Cap has no real fighting ability besides what he has picked up on his own during WWII. Comedian had much more training and skill than Captain America and still was completely destroyed by Ozy
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Are you people insane? The arguement about Cap's speed is beyond flawed. So he was moving at roughly Usain Bolt's top speed when he was doing laps. The difference is he he didn't just roughly match Usain Bolt's rate of speed, he actually sustained the speed for 13 miles!! He also behaved as if it was a casual JOG for him. How can you miss that? Bolt could not replicate his 100 speed over the course of the 200 by comparison. Geez....
Originally posted by Robtard
There's also the fact he commented that if he tried running in normal shoes, they'd fall apart. The guy runs so fast and hard, he needs special shoes, like Forrest, Forrest Gump.
And how about how he was leaping up walls like nothing? Man, what else could they do to show his power level??