The real Big Bang, (on panel) occurring.
The real "Spark" that ignites creation (on panel) occurring.
The real embodiment of the Big Bang (on panel) occurring.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the PF in any sense of the word.
Although it's been a fact that the PF was born from the Big Bang like everything else.
The latest update is that it was born seconds after Space-Time. (Eternity/infinity)
along with the rest of the Concepts.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The real Big Bang, (on panel) occurring.The real "Spark" that ignites creation (on panel) occurring.
The real embodiment of the Big Bang (on panel) occurring.
It has absolutely nothing to do with the PF in any sense of the word.
Although it's been a fact that the PF was born from the Big Bang like everything else.
The latest update is that it was born seconds after Space-Time. (Eternity/infinity)
along with the rest of the Concepts.
Did Reed say that the PF was that in the same comic?
Originally posted by Reacting2so galactus is again the Oldest Cosmic player?(except TOAA and the LT)
In the previous Reality, all the Concepts existed, only they were not absolute,
since all of them were part of the Infinity Being who was the entirety of everything.
TOAA can't be categorized as it is the representative avatars of the writers/artists.
The LT was created from the original Big Bang.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nah. He said it in another story/comic, prior to this event.But that statement was wrong all over even without this depiction.
this display is associated cause it involves Reed.
I'm sure he knows now the facts. 🙂
Then it's not the same though. What Reed said about the council was in the same story that they were from and fell in and where there showings come from. There's no reason to assume he was lying or wrong until it is proven otherwise, and so far it hasn't been since they made a weapon that did what he couldn't.
Originally posted by Reacting2so Galactus is older than the LT 😕
Galactus was born relatively at the same time as the LT.
Remember, Galactus was Galan (a powerless humanoid) in the previous Reality.
It was the Infinity Being right before it finally imploded
that decided to save him and bond with him
turning him into Galactus the balance of the new reality.
Originally posted by Mr Masterah thanks Mr. Master, now am off your Nuts, but some how I´m stuck on Quanchi´s Nut Sack 🙁
Not exactly.Galactus was born relatively at the same time as the LT.
Remember, Galactus was Galan (a powerless humanoid) in the previous Reality.
It was the Infinity Being right before it finally imploded
that decided to save him and bond with him
turning him into Galactus the balance of the new reality.
Originally posted by Reacting2LT was born at the beginning of the universes, and Galan's universe existing means that LT was around at least when Galan's universe was originally formed.
so Galactus is older than the LT 😕
That's assuming Galan's universe came around when the original big bang happened, and not a couple universal cycles after.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I remember Reed hyperbolized once that the PF was the big bang.He was dead wrong when he witnessed the real big bang on panel.
Just sayin, it can happen.
I'd count on writers making Reed say the right shit most of the time,
but sometimes a bone-head writer or plot,
can make even Reed say shit he shouldn't be saying.
Hickman isn't really a bonehead writer . However 616-Reed's statement that an alternate Reed(member of the Council) has a greater magnitude of intellect than himself is clear hyperbole , because we have a feat in which 616-Reed outperforms his council brethren(the universal entropy gun incident) , however for the Council Reeds , no such feat(based on their individual intelligence alone) exists .
If on-panel feats contradict a statement made by a character , and that too within the same story arc , then said character's statement should definitely be considered hyperbole .
Originally posted by jalek moye
Then it's not the same though. What Reed said about the council was in the same story that they were from and fell in and where there showings come from. There's no reason to assume he was lying or wrong until it is proven otherwise, and so far it hasn't been since they made a weapon that did what he couldn't.
He already has made weapons that can slag those Mad Celestials , and IIRC , caused those Mad Gods to flee in the first place , during their first encounter with the Council .
The Sol's Anvil was a collective effort of the entire Council excluding perhaps 616-Reed(or at least that's what Hickman implied in his Forever storyline) , not the product of an individual councilman Reed's intelligence and efforts .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerHickman isn't really a bonehead writer .
However 616-Reed's
statement that an alternate Reed(member of the Council) has a
greater magnitude of intellect than himself is clear hyperbole ,
because we have a feat in which 616-Reed outperforms his council
brethren(the universal entropy gun incident) , however for the Council
Reeds , no such feat(based on their individual intelligence alone)
exists .If on-panel feats contradict a statement made by a character , and
that too within the same story arc , then said character's statement
should definitely be considered hyperbole .
That aside, I agree with what you're saying.
Originally posted by Mr Master
I also added or [b]plot.That aside, I agree with what you're saying. [/B]
OK . Although it is difficult to accept that Hickman's plot can sometimes be a little boneheaded(apart from the fact that his narrative sometimes speaks in poetic riddles) . I believe F4#572 is testimony to this .
Originally posted by TheGodKillerHe already has made weapons that can slag those Mad Celestials , and IIRC ,
caused those Mad Gods to flee in the first place ,
during their first encounter with the Council .
It was because of 616 Reed that anyone survived that attack.
After that Alternate IG was implemented momentarily because the conduit got cut off:
(conduit died from the quick experience)
One shot 4 Celestials.
(unfortunately after this it was immediately separated from its source universe)
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Then, 616 Reed came back and saves the day:
Originally posted by Mr MasterThis is Hickman we're talking about. He doesn't make mistakes. uhuh
I remember Reed hyperbolized once that the PF was the big bang.He was dead wrong when he witnessed the real big bang on panel.
Just sayin, it can happen.
I'd count on writers making Reed say the right shit most of the time,
but sometimes a bone-head writer or plot,
can make even Reed say shit he shouldn't be saying.
Honestly though, it wouldn't be in character for Reed to speak in hyperbole at all--let alone in front of all of his rogues--regarding the threat-level his alternates possess, if it weren't true. If you're claiming the aforementioned statement is hyperbole, then you must now begin claiming that ANYTHING Reed says is hyperbole until it's backed by other on panel happenings. Lets be realistic here--the omniscient writer (Hickman/TOAA) is who put those words in Reed's mouth. No reason they should be suspect. No reason at all.
Originally posted by Galan007This is Hickman we're talking about. He doesn't make mistakes. uhuh
But he's human like us all.
Originally posted by Galan007Honestly though, it wouldn't be in character for Reed to speak in
hyperbole at all--let alone in front of all of his rogues--regarding the
threat-level his alternates possess, if it weren't true. If you're claiming
the aforementioned statement is hyperbole, then you must now begin
claiming that ANYTHING Reed says is hyperbole until it's backed by
other on panel happenings. Lets be realistic here--the omniscient
writer (Hickman/TOAA) is who put those words in Reed's mouth. No
reason they should be suspect. No reason at all.
I also added that writers usually have Reed say the right things,
until a "bonehead" writer or "Plot" forces PIS/CIS or whatever.
Although, I gotta disagree with this "omniscient" writer status.
You know details get overlooked and flipped many times by writers,
it's up to us to wash out the garbage by process of elimination.
TOAA's notion of omniscience stops at the last page of any comic.
Although it's "omniscience" from the perspective of a limited mind.
Originally posted by Mr MasterGotcha.
Ey, don;t get me wrong, his writing is simply a beauty.But he's human like us all.
Oh, I never he said it was hyperbole, I brought up an example to highlight that it can happen.
I also added that writers usually have Reed say the right things,
until a "bonehead" writer or"Plot" forces PIS/CIS or whatever.Although, I gotta disagree with this "omniscient" writer status.
You know details get overlooked and flipped many times by writers,
However, in the fictional realm of comics, writers ARE omniscient.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNo, it's not.
it's up to us to wash out the garbage by process of elimination.
Comic book writers>comic book fans. Whether fans agree with it or not, what writers say is law.
