Abeloth -vs- Darth Nihilus

After defeating Palpatine and Luke - Darth Nihilus decides to eat Traya as well, and leaves Dxun.

He wants more Force energy to consume, and wants to seek out the worlds with the most powerful Force-Sensitives, to appease his Hunger.

Deciding that the archives on Malachor V would be a good place to begin his search, he leaves for the world, and soon arrives at his old Teacher's school - the Trayus Academy.

While traversing the bridge that looks over the wide expanse of the dark, shattered world, he pauses, sensing a great Force energy behind him..

He turns - and standing several meters away, a great wide face stares back at him.

"I am Abeloth." She says.

Nihilus says nothing. The empty holes in his mask echoing the silence.

Abeloth's face twists into an expression of amusement. "You are Sith, yes? Who are you? What is your name?"

The wind rips from below the empty expanse of the bridge, and beyond, caressing the hem of Nihilus's black faded robe.

Silence engulfs the distance between them and just as Abeloth starts to inquire again, a voice surprises her, cutting her off.

His strange speech continues for a few moments - the eye holes in his mask seeming to stare straight through her.

Abeloth, annoyed now, narrows her eyes at the Dark Lord.

"I tire of this and -...AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Her whole body suddenly spasms, and a deep-wrenching scream comes up collectively from her - as Nihilus starts to feed on her.

Feeling layers of her very being come away and into the black hole of the very Force itself, which is Nihilus, she screams, loud inhuman screams - which surprisingly are overtaken by the depth and power of Nihilus's voice, which continues on, as she starts to die.

Realizing she was stupid to underestimate a foe unlike any she had ever faced before - she realizes she must do something.

But against an opponent capable of attacking her instantly, and eating her in moments, what can she do?

Setting:

Apparently, Aeloth can't die through any normal means which is why they kept imprisoning here. Supposedly, the only thing capable of killing her once and for all is the dagger of Mortis... So she probably wins.

Although, Nihilus may win if its not to the death.

She's not made of Force energy?

I got bored and decided to make this Thread, because I read a few of her fights with Luke and she seemed like a pathetic Villian-sue, so I figured why not. 😛

Nihilus is also essentially a black hole in the Force, and I heard they used black holes to imprison her, anyway.

Seems like he eats her - and she's trapped and scattered within the void for all eternity.

Not really sure what she is now but she was once mortal. But force drain will likely work on her however, for some reason, when used on her the user of the drain is also weakened as seen with Krayt.

Originally posted by ares834
Not really sure what she is now but she was once mortal. But force drain will likely work on her however, for some reason, when used on her the user of the drain is also weakened as seen with Krayt.

Okay, just did some research.

Apparently she can be killed without the dagger - and the Order just thought she might return again later.

And Krayt doesn't seem like an advanced practitioner of anything - much less any version of Force Drain.
He also has a limited amount of Force energy anyway.

- In contrast we have Darth Nihilus who has the highest form of Drain - and he is at Peak power, meaning he can drain her all day if he needs to.

So, she dies.

I don't see anything else she can do to escape, either.

You're right about Krayt. But if Nihilus's drain does end up hurting himself then I'm not sure how he would be able to keep it up all day.

And she doesn't "die" in the book, her body is destroyed but she is coming back. There are mentions of tentacles appearing incarnating and attacking Jedi.

Now if it's merely to who destroys the other's body first and we assume Nihilus is capable of draining her then it's basically who ever attacks first. Assuming that Abeltoh doesn't hold back of course.

Originally posted by ares834
You're right about Krayt. But if Nihilus's drain does end up hurting himself then I'm not sure how he would be able to keep it up all day.

It won't end up hurting him.

It hurt Krayt because his body is made of flesh, so he took damage, whereas Nihilus is a black hole of Force Energy.

Krayt also can only drain as long as he can fuel the drain with his own power, which is very limited.

This is full-power Nihilus, which means he has just fed on a planet, so he can drain her all day if he needs to.

Originally posted by ares834

And she doesn't "die" in the book, her body is destroyed but she is coming back. There are mentions of tentacles appearing incarnating and attacking Jedi.

Apparently from what I read, Luke traveled to where she was, as an extension of energy, and fought her core being, and killed her in the process.

The Jedi then surmised she could come back one day, so they went to look for the dagger.

Originally posted by ares834

Now if it's merely to who destroys the other's body first and we assume Nihilus is capable of draining her then it's basically who ever attacks first. Assuming that Abeltoh doesn't hold back of course.

Actually, I saw her power in her fights with Luke, and she's kind of pathetic.

Nihilus's TK feats are greater than Luke's, and she was struggling heavily against Luke.

Nihilus wouldn't have a very hard time with her, and simply eat her.

You know what I just realized??

Abeloth is Cosmic Calamari!

Or sushi, or something like that!

She's like one big platter of Cosmic seafood to Nihilus!

It's like Nihilus went to a really good Chinese restaurant or something.

He would be thankful for a filling-meal like this. 🙂

Originally posted by Battlemaster
It won't end up hurting him.

It hurt Krayt because his body is made of flesh

What makes you think that?

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Actually, I saw her power in her fights with Luke, and she's kind of pathetic.

She does destroy a city when she gets mad at one point.

'Abeloth herself was also weakened, and in her frustration she unleashed waves of Force energy upon the city. The beings who were near her imploded from the energy, while others who were farther away had their bodies ripped apart. The city itself was severely damaged in the attack—pieces of glass and weapons were sent flying while the buildings collapsed and much of the City of Glass was consumed in fire.' -Wookieepedia

Originally posted by Battlemaster
It won't end up hurting him.

It hurt Krayt because his body is made of flesh, so he took damage, whereas Nihilus is a black hole of Force Energy.

Krayt also can only drain as long as he can fuel the drain with his own power, which is very limited.

This is full-power Nihilus, which means he has just fed on a planet, so he can drain her all day if he needs to.

Why would drain weaken anyone even if they are made of flesh and blood? Malak's drain, for example, boosted him. It could be simply Abeloth's unique nature as the embodiment of chaos and imbalance. Or Krayt could simply be shitty at force drain. I could entertain either view.

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Apparently from what I read, Luke traveled to where she was, as an extension of energy, and fought her core being, and killed her in the process.

The Jedi then surmised she could come back one day, so they went to look for the dagger.

Sorta. Luke and Krayt destroy Abeloth in the Beyond Shadows but she still exists.

"Three days ago we were attacked by a tentacle. It materialized out of the Force and attmpted to choke Jedi Saar. When Jedi Arelis ignited his lightsaber, it released Saar and turned to attack Arelis - then just dissolved."

Originally posted by Battlemaster
Nihilus's TK feats are greater than Luke's, and she was struggling heavily against Luke.

Nah. Lifting the Ravager is impressive, but as Gid pointed out numerous times he had the benefit of a dark side nexus. By contrast Luke destroyed a fortress with the force and even more impressive rebuilt it. And, perhaps greatest of all, he used the force to move a miniature black hole.

Regardless, Abeloth melted an entire city of Sith with a single scream. Not sure why Nihilus would survive such an attack (or Luke for that matter).

So is Abeloth the reincarnation of the Joker, or what's up with that?

She does have a big ol Joker smile.

Edit: V 👆

Nihilus's power isn't actually a drain, it's more of an extremely advanced form of Force Sever, really.

True. Which then brings up the question, can Abeloth be severed from the force?

I am willing to say "yes" based on nothing but Abeloth being a shit-sandwich and disgrace to Lovecraft. estahuh

Originally posted by NemeBro
Nihilus's power isn't actually a drain, it's more of an extremely advanced form of Force Sever, really.

Also, you guys are all sorely underestimating Abeloth here. I like N. (a lot) but Abeloth has some impressive aspects as well.

"It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves…it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes. It cannot be taught…it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand."

Taken from the wook... 😉

Originally posted by Nephthys
What makes you think that?

Ah yes, he was energy when he fought Abeloth, right?

Originally posted by Nephthys

She does destroy a city when she gets mad at one point.

'Abeloth herself was also weakened, and in her frustration she unleashed waves of Force energy upon the city. The beings who were near her imploded from the energy, while others who were farther away had their bodies ripped apart. The city itself was severely damaged in the attack—pieces of glass and weapons were sent flying while the buildings collapsed and much of the City of Glass was consumed in fire.' -Wookieepedia

Good point.

Nihilus destroyed a city too, when he attacked Katarr, though - and did kill every living thing on the planet.

But you're right, it's not like I can just underestimate her completely - and actually, I haven't read the entire series, either, so I'm learning new stuff right now.

But she's a shit-sandwich so all of her feats are invalidated.

Also... Well, you could just listen to how Traya describes it.

She describes it as a technique that violently severs a lifeform's connection to the Force, and feeds on the death it causes. Considering how easily he stripped Traya, a fairly powerful practitioner of the Force and herself a skilled user of the same power, of the Force, he seems to have quite a talent for it.

Edit: Yo **** you ares and your wookie magic. estahuh

Though hm, based on that, Traya probably only developed the power to do what Nihilus does after he severed the Force from her.