Originally posted by h1a8
How do you determine a good skilled fighter in comics?
Their win/loss record against decent opponents.
Example. We all know KK is a premier HtH MA. So much so, that as soon as he is on a DC street side, we all groan and say K soloes.
How do we know he is a premier HtH? Because he keeps up and beats decent opponents, like Daxamites.
Originally posted by h1a8
Circular reasoning huh?
What are feats showing HTH skill especially those of the grade A kind? Blocking, parrying,...?
We base skill on shown feats, so you can start with showing him fighting other skilled fighters.
And no, beating up a couple of thugs doesn't prove A list skill.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Their win/loss record against decent opponents.Example. We all know KK is a premier HtH MA. So much so, that as soon as he is on a DC street side, we all groan and say K soloes.
How do we know he is a premier HtH? Because he keeps up and beats decent opponents, like Daxamites.
Well that is a flawed way to gauge it. KK is the exception to the rule for good reason. There is no other KK, or human character able to beat up on herald level beings. Hell, spider-man (beyond human being) beating a herald level being is PIS at it's finest.
Wins and loses against decent opponents don't mean anything since Ozy has never loss a hth battle and what determines a decent opponent?
Originally posted by Silent Master
We base skill on shown feats, so you can start with showing him fighting other skilled fighters.And no, beating up a couple of thugs doesn't prove A list skill.
Silent Master, you know how I can tell I'm the bomb when it comes to debating?
Because I get decent debaters like yourself to commit to circular reasoning when you don't have a good argument. You said,
We base skill on shown feats
Yet never answered the question of what a hth feat was.
Wow!
How do you know other fighters are skilled or not, what must they do?
Originally posted by h1a8
Silent Master, you know how I can tell I'm the bomb when it comes to debating?
Because I get decent debaters like yourself to commit to circular reasoning when you don't have a good argument. You said,We base skill on shown feats
Yet never answered the question of what a hth feat was.
Wow!
How do you know other fighters are skilled or not, what must they do?
Try reading the whole post
Originally posted by Silent Master
We base skill on shown feats, so you can start with showing him fighting other skilled fighters.And no, beating up a couple of thugs doesn't prove A list skill.
Originally posted by h1a8
Still circular reasoning. What determines if the opponents are highly skilled fighters?
Take Cyclops for example, one of his least impressive HTH feats is beating 5 gang members up with his eyes were closed.
Does Ozy have anything that even comes close to that level of skill?
Ok.
KK was an extreme example, I admit.
Let's take.....Black Panther. And let's ignore him beating herald level beings lol.
He spars and defeats multiple opponents, such as the Dora-Milaje. And beats them.
But what makes the Dora-Milaje good HtH fighters?
The fact that they, humans with no heart shaped herb or whatever, can take it to Doombots.
Originally posted by Silent Master
So Ozy fought 12 people with his eyes closed?
Not with his eyes closed, just not really paying attention to them. One of them tries to stab him in the back, he flips him over casually and stomps him, then the rest charge him and he's swatting them away like he's having afternoon tea. Also they all had knives and bladed weapons while he was unarmed, he wasn't hurt at all and completely defeated them easily, and this was even before he officially became Ozymandius.
That is far more than h1a8 has done, my comment about Cyke's feat being better was to hopefully ward off h1a8 trying to use it as an example of A list skill. As it's not.
A good example of A list skill would be the time Daredevil was beating up around a 100 Yakuza, several of which had taken a drug to give them superpowers.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Take Cyclops for example, one of his least impressive HTH feats is beating 5 gang members up with his eyes were closed.Does Ozy have anything that even comes close to that level of skill?
Since catching a bullet doesn't prove one knows how to fight a grade A fighter well (according to you) then beating 5 gang members blind doesn't prove one knows how to beat a single fighter above a gang member.
So again, like I said it boils down to beating multiple thugs on the streets. If that is the case then Ozy beat two characters that has beat multiple thugs up at once.
Originally posted by h1a8
So beating 5 members of a gang blind is a h2h skill feat?
Does it prove that one can fight and beat a grade A fighter, what about a B fighter, what about a C fighter,...what about a Z fighter?Since catching a bullet doesn't prove one knows how to fight a grade A fighter well (according to you) then beating 5 gang members blind doesn't prove one knows how to beat a single fighter above a gang member.
So again, like I said it boils down to beating multiple thugs on the streets. If that is the case then Ozy beat two characters that has beat multiple thugs up at once.
Or beating Doombots...