Madara Uchiha vs Monster Aizen

Originally posted by yungz22
how does you post that specultive " random blade" crap mean i dont look at the screen?

Even more proof. 👆

"Aizen assumed he was reaching the level Ichigo was at, and thought he would in fact reach an even higher one. Proven by him saying Ichigo became one with his zanpaktou, and now he would be the same. This proves WITHOUT A DOUBT that he was NOT at the same evolution as Ichigo, and NOT one with his zanpaktou. What this proves, is that the sword coming from Aizen's hand was NOT Kyoka Suigetsu. Just a random blade, probably made from the same material as his chrysalis shell.

Anyway, it's true, and I've just proven it. Do something other than whine, or shut up. 👆 "

Go on, I'll wait.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Even more proof. 👆

"Aizen assumed he was reaching the level Ichigo was at, and thought he would in fact reach an even higher one. Proven by him saying Ichigo became one with his zanpaktou, and now he would be the same. This proves WITHOUT A DOUBT that he was NOT at the same evolution as Ichigo, and NOT one with his zanpaktou. What this proves, is that the sword coming from Aizen's hand was NOT Kyoka Suigetsu. Just a random blade, probably made from the same material as his chrysalis shell.

Anyway, it's true, and I've just proven it. Do something other than whine, or shut up. 👆 "

Go on, I'll wait.

you havent proven anything but your delusional speculative thought. nothing on those panels confirm what you just said. that same sword has been in aizen's right hand since even before evolution started. if that same sword fused with aizen how is it a "random blade" it makes no sense.

aizen lost his fight against ichigo because of pis and ichigo being the main character.
ichigo also made a comment stating that aizen wated to lose after the fight

Originally posted by yungz22
you havent proven anything but your delusional speculative thought. nothing on those panels confirm what you just said. that same sword has been in aizen's right hand since even before evolution started. if that same sword fused with aizen how is it a "random blade" it makes no sense.

aizen lost his fight against ichigo because of pis and ichigo being the main character.
ichigo also made a comment stating that aizen wated to lose after the fight

lol, must I post the same thing again?

"Proven by him saying Ichigo became one with his zanpaktou, and now he would be the same. This proves WITHOUT A DOUBT that he was NOT at the same evolution as Ichigo, and NOT one with his zanpaktou. What this proves, is that the sword coming from Aizen's hand was NOT Kyoka Suigetsu.".

Do you not understand what this means? Aizen said he was GOING to, as in he hadn't yet, become one with his zanpaktou. This means that the sword coming from his hand was NOT his zanpaktou. It was just a blade coming from his shell. 👆

Aizen lost his fight against Ichigo because Ichigo was ridiculously stronger than him.

Show me the scan of Ichigo saying that.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
lol, must I post the same thing again?

"Proven by him saying Ichigo became one with his zanpaktou, and now he would be the same. This proves WITHOUT A DOUBT that he was NOT at the same evolution as Ichigo, and NOT one with his zanpaktou. What this proves, is that the sword coming from Aizen's hand was NOT Kyoka Suigetsu.".

Do you not understand what this means? Aizen said he was GOING to, as in he hadn't yet, become one with his zanpaktou. This means that the sword coming from his hand was NOT his zanpaktou. It was just a blade coming from his shell. 👆

Aizen lost his fight against Ichigo because Ichigo was ridiculously stronger than him.

Show me the scan of Ichigo saying that.

just because it wasnt the same evolution as ichi doesnt mean it was a "random blade" the sword never left him.

go look at after aizen was sealed and read the dialouge between ichi and urahara

Originally posted by yungz22
just because it wasnt the same evolution as ichi doesnt mean it was a "random blade" the sword never left him.

go look at after aizen was sealed and read the dialouge between ichi and urahara

Again, you're missing the point. Zanpaktou don't always take physical form. Remember how Renji's Zabimaru broke, and he conjured it back just by willing to?

What dialogue? The dialogue that proves even further what I said to be true? Ichigo said he felt "nothing but isolation", from Aizen's sword.

1. How could Ichigo feel anything from Aizen's sword in the first place, if Aizen and it were one?

2. With that statement, Ichigo proved one of two things. Either Aizen was unable to use his sword, because of his new evolution, or his sword rejected him because he used the hogyoku instead of it. Either way though, this means Aizen can NOT use his shikai. 👆

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
Again, you're missing the point. Zanpaktou don't always take physical form. Remember how Renji's Zabimaru broke, and he conjured it back just by willing to?

What dialogue? The dialogue that proves even further what I said to be true? Ichigo said he felt "nothing but isolation", from Aizen's sword.

1. How could Ichigo feel anything from Aizen's sword in the first place, if Aizen and it were one?

2. With that statement, Ichigo proved one of two things. Either Aizen was unable to use his sword, because of his new evolution, or his sword rejected him because he used the hogyoku instead of it. Either way though, this means Aizen can NOT use his shikai. 👆

its not that he cannot he chose not too ichigo clearly states that fact no matter how you try to twist it.

http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57804-17/bleach/chapter-422.html

http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57804-18/bleach/chapter-422.html

Originally posted by yungz22
its not that he cannot he chose not too ichigo clearly states that fact no matter how you try to twist it.

http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57804-17/bleach/chapter-422.html

http://www.mangapanda.com/94-57804-18/bleach/chapter-422.html

Nowhere, in either of the chapters you posted, did Aizen say anything, let alone that he chose not to use his shikai on Ichigo.

The only person who said that, was Unohana, and that was in the SS arc, when Aizen blocked Ichigo's bankai sword with his index finger like he was nothing. He didn't use his shikai on Ichigo, because he didn't have to back then. This was stated.

However, wouldn't it make sense for him to use it on Ichigo, if Ichigo was effortlessly curb-stomping him like he was an infant? The only reason he wouldn't have used it, is because he COULDN'T. That would be like saying Goku didn't use Spirit bomb on Cell because he didn't want to hurt him. He didn't use it, because it takes 10 seconds to charge up, and Cell was massively FTL.

Also, as much as you try to dodge it, nothing you've posted has changed the fact that Aizen specifically stated he wasn't one with his sword, meaning he didn't have it at the time at all. 👆

Aizen also specifically stated that his Zanpakuto had fused with his right arm. When he said "one with his Zanpakuto" he meant more of an FGT type thing.

sigh

Yet Madara still kill Aizen.

So are we still arguing that Aizen has powers he never displayed? Utterly sad.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
So are we still arguing that Aizen has powers he never displayed? Utterly sad.

theres nothing that says he cant he didnt lose power he got stronger.

so if we never saw goku ssj4 use spirit bomb does that mean he couldnt do it in that form

In that the Spirit bomb has nothing to do with Goku... A more apt would be like saying if BOG SSJG Goku never fired a Ki blast, is he still capable and the answer has to rest with the evidence that no that hypothetical version can't.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
In that the Spirit bomb has nothing to do with Goku... A more apt would be like saying if BOG SSJG Goku never fired a Ki blast, is he still capable and the answer has to rest with the evidence that no that hypothetical version can't.

wow so bog goku wouldnt be able to shoot ki blasts lol..... youve got to be another delusional poster to believe that if goku never showed it he wouldnt be able to shoot of a ki blast even tho thats a natural part of his power.

its like saying gai cant do dynamic entry or leaf whirlwind when the gates are opened

Learn to read and you won't look so dumb.

Originally posted by pym-ftw
Learn to read and you won't look so dumb.

you just said if bog goku never showed us he can shoot a ki blast then he cant

Yes... That's the non biased opinion.

A lack of evidence points toward no, not yes.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Aizen also specifically stated that his Zanpakuto had fused with his right arm. When he said "one with his Zanpakuto" he meant more of an FGT type thing.

No. He didn't. He said he was, "BECOMING one" with his Zanpaktou, which means he hadn't done so, obviously. And instead, he got sealed. So he NEVER became one with his Zanpaktou, Kyoka-suigetsu, and therefore, the sword coming from his right hand was NOT Kyoka, and likely was just a projection of a sword made from his catalyst material that coated his body.

I've already posted the scans.

Originally posted by yungz22
theres nothing that says he cant he didnt lose power he got stronger.

so if we never saw goku ssj4 use spirit bomb does that mean he couldnt do it in that form

No, he lost his power. That's kind of why he got sealed in the first place, genius.

And no, no version of SSJ Goku can use spirit bomb, other than SSJ if you take movie cannon into account, because the SSJ form makes him experience rage and anger, which makes him impure, so he can't use the spirit bomb.

The combined chakra of around 50 normal shinobi can blow up the moon in The Last. I would say that JJ Madara is monsterously above Aizen in raw power.