Madara Uchiha vs Monster Aizen

Originally posted by yungz22
orochimaru uses a paralyzing genjutsu when he does that. If you can remember both sasuke and sakura envisioned killing themselves... even so all sasuke did was cut himself out of the kunai and he was out of it. Spiritual pressure is so unique that if you dont fight with equal or more pressure your techniques wont even harm your opponent. Aizen did this with renji, Soi Fon and rose and weve seen it with kenpachi and and ichigo. Spiritual pressure by itself destroys environments around you. Madara has never shown this type of pressure when he is in anyones pressure.... this means tht his attacks would be null and void against aizen. plus you guys forget that the hogyoku continously works at evolving the user aizen is only going to get stronger and stronger if it werent for kisuke aizen would have beaten ichigo

How's that any different from Naruto? If Konohamaru used rasengan on Madara, it wouldn't even register to his sense of touch.

Naruto transforming into three tailed cloak form destroyed an entire giant bridge. Much more than Aizen has ever done with his shear aura. Not to mention that it doesn't matter if they can do things like destroy continents and countries when they are trying. It just means they have much better control.

The hogyoku only evolves you until you reach perfect hollow/soul reaper unity, like Aizen in this form DID. Aizen can no longer evolve. That's why the hogyoku rejected him.

Sasuke could only see through the genjutsu because he had sharingan. Aizen doesn't. Madara would stomp him with a glance.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
How's that any different from Naruto? If Konohamaru used rasengan on Madara, it wouldn't even register to his sense of touch.

Naruto transforming into three tailed cloak form destroyed an entire giant bridge. Much more than Aizen has ever done with his shear aura. Not to mention that it doesn't matter if they can do things like destroy continents and countries when they are trying. It just means they have much better control.

The hogyoku only evolves you until you reach perfect hollow/soul reaper unity, like Aizen in this form DID. Aizen can no longer evolve. That's why the hogyoku rejected him.

Sasuke could only see through the genjutsu because he had sharingan. Aizen doesn't. Madara would stomp him with a glance.

also see here one cero from aizen in this form did this-- http://www.mangachapter.net/1193/bleach/419-11.html
http://www.mangachapter.net/1193/bleach/419-12.html

aizen can launch 6 of those at one time in this form just imagine the destruction it would hve caused had ichigo not been able to stop him

Originally posted by yungz22
orochimaru uses a paralyzing genjutsu when he does that. If you can remember both sasuke and sakura envisioned killing themselves... even so all sasuke did was cut himself out of the kunai and he was out of it. Spiritual pressure is so unique that if you dont fight with equal or more pressure your techniques wont even harm your opponent. Aizen did this with renji, Soi Fon and rose and weve seen it with kenpachi and and ichigo. Spiritual pressure by itself destroys environments around you. Madara has never shown this type of pressure when he is in anyones pressure.... this means tht his attacks would be null and void against aizen.

So what? Naruto chakra doesn't work like spiritual pressure, it's more controlled.

Madara has shown well more power than Aizen, there is zero reason to think that Aizen's spiritual power will do jack squat.

If Ichigo's sword works, why shouldn't Madara's Final Susano'o sword, which is stronger?

Originally posted by Q99
So what? Naruto chakra doesn't work like spiritual pressure, it's more controlled.

Madara has shown well more power than Aizen, there is zero reason to think that Aizen's spiritual power will do jack squat.

If Ichigo's sword works, why shouldn't Madara's Final Susano'o sword, which is stronger?

that attack didnt even one shot the 5 kages what makes you think it would kill aizen. Bleach characters also are way more durable and take way more damage than naruto characters also... that is a fact

its not like madara has incrediblly intese genjutsu like tsyukuyomi

Madara wins

Originally posted by yungz22
sasuke wasnt using sharingan when oro had him in that genjutsu and the hogyoku stopped evolving aizen because of that kido that aizen placed inside of him.....also a rasengan from konahamaru would hurt anybody in the series because naruto doesnt have the same rules when it comes to chakra as spiritual pressure does for bleach...... if that was the case then he should have never killed one of the pein bodies... nagato is an uzumaki he had one of the largest amounts of chakra in the series.

also see here one cero from aizen in this form did this-- http://www.mangachapter.net/1193/bleach/419-11.html
http://www.mangachapter.net/1193/bleach/419-12.html

aizen can launch 6 of those at one time in this form just imagine the destruction it would hve caused had ichigo not been able to stop him

Really? Not using Sharingan?

Not to mention that it wasn't genjutsu, as proved by this scan.

See? Clearly says it's Oro's killing intent, not Genjutsu. 👆

Really? It looks to me like a chidori from Sasuke didn't even make Itachi flinch. It has nothing to do with "rules". If a weak person attacks someone who's much stronger than them, 99% of the time, it won't do shit. 👆

Konohamaru didn't kill that path of pain, which is why Naruto had to kill it later on. He made an opening for him and Ebisu to escape. Even so, he simply caught one of them off gaurd, the one who wasn't even a fighting path. That was the devil path, the one who probably would lose a fight against Hanabi.

Aizen can NOT create six of those Cero's at a time. If he could, he would have. Simple as that.

Thank you though for proving my point. Aizen's strongest attack wasn't even a town buster. Now let's take a look at some of Madara's attacks.

Keep in mind that this is from a single slash of his sword.

His Bijuu bomb crossing an entire ocean in seconds, before destroying an entire village.

And of course, him summoning a town sized meteor with a gesture.

And finally, a continent busting Biju bomb that makes Aizen's attacks look like bottle rockets.

What reason do you have to think Aizen could even BEGIN to harm someone who has feats that make his look pitiful like this? You're just fan-raging at this point.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta

Really? Not using Sharingan?

Not to mention that it wasn't genjutsu, as proved by this scan.

See? Clearly says it's Oro's killing intent, not Genjutsu. 👆

Really? It looks to me like a chidori from Sasuke didn't even make Itachi flinch. It has nothing to do with "rules". If a weak person attacks someone who's much stronger than them, 99% of the time, it won't do shit. 👆

Konohamaru didn't kill that path of pain, which is why Naruto had to kill it later on. He made an opening for him and Ebisu to escape. Even so, he simply caught one of them off gaurd, the one who wasn't even a fighting path. That was the devil path, the one who probably would lose a fight against Hanabi.

Aizen can NOT create six of those Cero's at a time. If he could, he would have. Simple as that.

Thank you though for proving my point. Aizen's strongest attack wasn't even a town buster. Now let's take a look at some of Madara's attacks.

Keep in mind that this is from a single slash of his sword.

His Bijuu bomb crossing an entire ocean in seconds, before destroying an entire village.

And of course, him summoning a town sized meteor with a gesture.

And finally, a continent busting Biju bomb that makes Aizen's attacks look like bottle rockets.

What reason do you have to think Aizen could even BEGIN to harm someone who has feats that make his look pitiful like this? You're just fan-raging at this point.

oh ok your right about oro but. madara hasnt done any of that. Madara doesnt even seem like primarily genjutsu user all his attacks hes shown us are ninjutsu. The bijuu bomb isnt necessarily madaras power its the bijuu's. Also his bijuu arent continet busters do you how large a continent actually is that means your saying one bijuu bomb could destroy either all of america. or the whole continent of austrailia which isnt the case. The bijuu bombs are city busting... Also aizen can create 6 ceros because he was about to do in point blank range to ichigos face. but ichigo stopped him before he could do it..... sasukes chidori would have harmed itachi if he didnt counter it by grabbing sasukes arm. Bleach works differently if your spiritual pressure is stronger than your opponents. Your opponents techniques arent gonna work. soi fons two hit kill technique was negated by aizen's reatsu alone. She actually stabbed him twice and it had no effect. He tanked the attack. Throughout bleach you can see examples of this.Naruto characters dodge or counter each others moves because they infact can be harmed by each other. case and point konhamaru's rasengan vs that pein body

Originally posted by yungz22
oh ok your right about oro but. madara hasnt done any of that. Madara doesnt even seem like primarily genjutsu user all his attacks hes shown us are ninjutsu. The bijuu bomb isnt necessarily madaras power its the bijuu's. Also his bijuu arent continet busters do you how large a continent actually is that means your saying one bijuu bomb could destroy either all of america. or the whole continent of austrailia which isnt the case. The bijuu bombs are city busting... Also aizen can create 6 ceros because he was about to do in point blank range to ichigos face. but ichigo stopped him before he could do it..... sasukes chidori would have harmed itachi if he didnt counter it by grabbing sasukes arm. Bleach works differently if your spiritual pressure is stronger than your opponents. Your opponents techniques arent gonna work. soi fons two hit kill technique was negated by aizen's reatsu alone. She actually stabbed him twice and it had no effect. He tanked the attack. Throughout bleach you can see examples of this.Naruto characters dodge or counter each others moves because they infact can be harmed by each other. case and point konhamaru's rasengan vs that pein body

No genjutsu? Have you even read Naruto?

The Jyuubi bomb destroyed the lightning country, which is an entire continent. 👆

Madara used Kyuubi's biju bomb to add destructive force. He still threw it across an ocean on his own. Not to mention that he was in control of the Kyuubi and had to use his own chakra to make it use a biju bomb. That was without rinnegan, which he can use Almighty push with.

Uh, I don't know what series you read, but Aizen was using the energy from his ceros to restrict Ichigo, which is why he was so shocked when Ichigo broke out of it.

Do you realize how destructive a meteor is? A meteor the size of the one Madara summoned being dropped on Earth would EASILY destroy a continent the size of Australia.

The third Raikage tanked a Rasenshuriken from KCM Naruto without being injured. As you can see, the same rule applies to Naruto. If you can't penetrate someones defenses, you can't hurt them. Just like in every other fictional series. 👆

What you're saying is that no one in Bleach can hurt anyone in Bleach. You are retarded. Just like any other series, if you're a lot stronger than someone, they can't hurt you. Soi fon uses her spiritual pressure to poison her opponents, but you can't simply tank that attack. If it cuts you twice, you die, just like Aizen would have. In case you've forgotten, he was using Kyoka Suigetsu that entire fight, meaning he never even got stabbed. Momo did, lol.

Anyway, you still haven't posted proof of anything you've claimed so far, so until you can give me a legit reason as to why Aizen would win, without including your fanboy bias, then I'm done with this pitiful excuse for a debate. 😉

I said the biju bomb wasnt continent busting. and regarless its not his chakra creating the bijuu bomb so you cant credit madara for that. I dont even think the meteor is continent busting. maybe country but not continent. the metero that supposedly killed the dinosaurs was way larger and it wasnt even continent busting. It land somewhere in Utah, nevada or somewhere outwest. It didnt destroy the whole north american continent.Even to this day you can drive and go see for yourself the crater it left. The after effect is what killed the dinosaurs it left a smoke cloud around the earth and blocked alot of the sunlight from coming to earth. Cold blooded animals cant handle that type environment that is why they died out. mammals can live in that environment so wed be just fine. thus its city busting. Aizen and madara are both capable of being city busters. We have to agree on that. but anyway Last time i saw continent busting attacks was in dbz and those guys were easily planet busters.

ok your right ill admit i was wrong with the 6 ceros i must have misinterpreted what he was doing there

I never said madara couldnt do genjutsu that would be stupid i meant that his genjutsu didnt seem to be on the level of other more powerful genjutsu users like Itachi. It was a basic sharingan genjutsu...thats what i meant.

http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-391/13/
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-391/14/
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-391/15/ - there are examples of this throughout the series
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-105/04/
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-105/05/
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-105/07/

What im saying is aizen allowed for the attack to strike him but his spiritual pressure alone negated the attack. Chakra doesnt work that way in naruto. All ninja can be hurt by each others attacks that is why they dodge,counter or block each others attacks. Raikage was using his Raiton armor which is a jutsu that protects from all attacks its different from spiritual pressure. reatsu is a natural negator of any harm someone trys to inflict on you whether it be physical or energy based for example has anyone in naruto taken a slash from a knife or sword and not been harmed at all by it. Raikage was using a lightning based armor.

http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/553/11/-- the fact he said we need a wind user suggests that it is a lightning based jutsu. Also Raikage didnt tank the atack he was knocked down and the his lightning armore dissapated. even for just a little.... its not hte same as reatsu. http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-554/7/

Here are the reasons i think aizen can win.
Aizen is faster than madara. This is proven by the fact he was hit by tsunade. I think we can both agree that tsunade is not faster than aizen. So speed advantage Aizen. shunpo is faster than anything tsunade has ever shown us

Another reason is the whole spiritual pressure thing which i exlpained above.

Illusion wise we should agree that aizen has he better of the two illusionary weapons Kyoka produces an illusion that lasts forever, takes control of all five senses, and can only be broken unless you touch his sword..... He can even release kyoka without his opponent even realizing.... the s**t is hax.

He also has a vast knowledge of bakudo and kido which could be of great use to him.. Kido 90 uses gravity to manipulate time and space. it literally is its own dimension. i can see madara having trouble with that.

id say they are both equal in smart because both have ample battle experience. But one could argue and give the edge to aizen because hes been part of the gotei thirteen for hundreds of years.

durability id have to give to aizen. Mainly because id say we both can agree bleach characters take crazy amounts of damage during battle. there battles are rather bloody

also he has the hogyoku which is another hax in its own right.
and he can fly

all of the factors above plus his speed advantage should give him the win

im not even an aizen fan my fav bleach character is Hisagi hes awsome 🙂

Originally posted by yungz22
I said the biju bomb wasnt continent busting. and regarless its not his chakra creating the bijuu bomb so you cant credit madara for that. I dont even think the meteor is continent busting. maybe country but not continent. the metero that supposedly killed the dinosaurs was way larger and it wasnt even continent busting. It land somewhere in Utah, nevada or somewhere outwest. It didnt destroy the whole north american continent.Even to this day you can drive and go see for yourself the crater it left. The after effect is what killed the dinosaurs it left a smoke cloud around the earth and blocked alot of the sunlight from coming to earth. Cold blooded animals cant handle that type environment that is why they died out. mammals can live in that environment so wed be just fine. thus its city busting. Aizen and madara are both capable of being city busters. We have to agree on that. but anyway Last time i saw continent busting attacks was in dbz and those guys were easily planet busters.

ok your right ill admit i was wrong with the 6 ceros i must have misinterpreted what he was doing there

I never said madara couldnt do genjutsu that would be stupid i meant that his genjutsu didnt seem to be on the level of other more powerful genjutsu users like Itachi. It was a basic sharingan genjutsu...thats what i meant.

http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-391/13/
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-391/14/
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-391/15/ - there are examples of this throughout the series
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-105/04/
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-105/05/
http://www.citymanga.com/bleach/chapter-105/07/

What im saying is aizen allowed for the attack to strike him but his spiritual pressure alone negated the attack. Chakra doesnt work that way in naruto. All ninja can be hurt by each others attacks that is why they dodge,counter or block each others attacks. Raikage was using his Raiton armor which is a jutsu that protects from all attacks its different from spiritual pressure. reatsu is a natural negator of any harm someone trys to inflict on you whether it be physical or energy based for example has anyone in naruto taken a slash from a knife or sword and not been harmed at all by it. Raikage was using a lightning based armor.

http://www.manga2u.me/Naruto/553/11/-- the fact he said we need a wind user suggests that it is a lightning based jutsu. Also Raikage didnt tank the atack he was knocked down and the his lightning armore dissapated. even for just a little.... its not hte same as reatsu. http://www.citymanga.com/naruto/chapter-554/7/

"What you're saying is that no one in Bleach can hurt anyone in Bleach. You are retarded. Just like any other series, if you're a lot stronger than someone, they can't hurt you. Soi fon uses her spiritual pressure to poison her opponents, but you can't simply tank that attack. If it cuts you twice, you die, just like Aizen would have. In case you've forgotten, he was using Kyoka Suigetsu that entire fight, meaning he never even got stabbed. Momo did, lol. "

For the last time, Aizen did NOT negate Soi fons attack, because he wasn't the one getting hit by it. 👆

Once again, the Jyuubi bomb destroyed the lightning country which is a continent.

The supposed meteor that killed the dinosaurs was only 10 km in diameter, while the one Madara summoned was larger than the entire battle field they were on, which made the Bijuu sized Susano'o barely noticable. In case you forgot, the Nine tails, or Bijuu, was nearly as big as the entire leaf village, which was equal in size to a small country. The meteor Madara summoned would have destroyed much more than the one that supposedly killed the dinosaurs. Not to mention that the meteor that killed the meteor busted a super-continent, Pangea, and caused it to separate. Madara's meteor conjured by a gesture was much larger, and could have done much more damage to Pangea.

Of course Madara's genjutsu is nothing compared to Itachi's. He's literally the most skilled genjutsu user in the series, other than Shisui, who can only surpass Itachi with his Mangekyo that only can be used once every ten years. However, Madara is an Uchiha with Mangeyo sharingan. Chiyo said that the only way to get out of their genjutsu without also having sharingan, is to have a teammate pull you out of it. Aizen doesn't have that, so he would be unable to escape while Madara melted him with a great fire annihilation that makes Yamamoto's fire look weak.

Yes, it was lightning style, but it was just his aura that protected him. In Bleach, there's no lightning type reiatsu, but in Naruto, their chakra's can be used for much more things than reiatsu can, which includes creating armor with said chakra. This has been demonstrated by many people, such as Susano'o users, Raikage, Jinchuriki, Kisame, Jiraiya and many other characters, able to use their chakra's as armors or something to negate attacks. This argument is pointless anyway, because Madara is much more powerful than Aizen, has much more energy, and would be able to tank any attack he dished out easily. 👆

Originally posted by yungz22
Here are the reasons i think aizen can win.
Aizen is faster than madara. This is proven by the fact he was hit by tsunade. I think we can both agree that tsunade is not faster than aizen. So speed advantage Aizen. shunpo is faster than anything tsunade has ever shown us

Another reason is the whole spiritual pressure thing which i exlpained above.

Illusion wise we should agree that aizen has he better of the two illusionary weapons Kyoka produces an illusion that lasts forever, takes control of all five senses, and can only be broken unless you touch his sword..... He can even release kyoka without his opponent even realizing.... the s**t is hax.

He also has a vast knowledge of bakudo and kido which could be of great use to him.. Kido 90 uses gravity to manipulate time and space. it literally is its own dimension. i can see madara having trouble with that.

id say they are both equal in smart because both have ample battle experience. But one could argue and give the edge to aizen because hes been part of the gotei thirteen for hundreds of years.

durability id have to give to aizen. Mainly because id say we both can agree bleach characters take crazy amounts of damage during battle. there battles are rather bloody

also he has the hogyoku which is another hax in its own right.
and he can fly

all of the factors above plus his speed advantage should give him the win

im not even an aizen fan my fav bleach character is Hisagi hes awsome 🙂

That's an assumption. Tsunade was able to dodge and outrun explosions during the fight with Orochimaru, as well as come close to the Raikage's level of speed. The only reason she hit Madara was because 1. He was toying with them, as he admitted many times saying he didn't even need to dodge their attacks, and 2. Tsunade was attacking in coordination with the other four kage, any one of which would shit on Aizen, Tsunade included. You assume Aizen is fast because he can use shunpo. He wasn't even able to outrun the explosion of Yamamoto's shikai, which explodes at roughly mach 24. As I said before, Madara is well above mach 11,531, at least with reaction speed. Aizen couldn't even comprehend that he had gotten killed until he was checking in to heaven/hell.

For the last time, Aizen cannot use Kyoka suigetsu in this mode. He would have against Ichigo if he could. 👆

Even if he could though, Madara can activate his genjutsu by looking at someone, not even needing visual contact. If he did use it, Aizen would be ****ed in the ass. Not to mention that sharingan can see through any illusion if you're stronger than the caster, which as I have already indisputably proved, Madara is.

Yes Bleach characters can take crazy amounts of damage, but still nothing compared to Naruto characters. Naruto characters fight for hours with continent and country busting attacks, Bleach characters fight for seconds to minutes with city block/town busting attacks. 👆

Aizen has more battle experience, but Madara is still much stronger and smarter, considering he can see into the future and steal peoples intelligence.

The hogyoku does nothing for this form of Aizen. If anything, it's a debilitating item, because if he suffers a certain amount of damage it will destroy his soul reaper powers.

Aizen can barely fly at all compared to Tsuchikage, and we saw how that turned out for him. Flight will do nothing when you can't dodge your opponents attacks, get out of their range or fly fast enough to blitz them. Aizen can do none of these, as his flight was laughably slower than Ichigo's which was only able to cross a town in five seconds, which is slow compared to Tsuchikage and Gaara flying to a different continent in just a few short minutes.

Again, Aizen loses in all aspects other than fighting experience. Madara rapes him.

Originally posted by SSJGGogeta
That's an assumption. Tsunade was able to dodge and outrun explosions during the fight with Orochimaru, as well as come close to the Raikage's level of speed. The only reason she hit Madara was because 1. He was toying with them, as he admitted many times saying he didn't even need to dodge their attacks, and 2. Tsunade was attacking in coordination with the other four kage, any one of which would shit on Aizen, Tsunade included. You assume Aizen is fast because he can use shunpo. He wasn't even able to outrun the explosion of Yamamoto's shikai, which explodes at roughly mach 24. As I said before, Madara is well above mach 11,531, at least with reaction speed. Aizen couldn't even comprehend that he had gotten killed until he was checking in to heaven/hell.

For the last time, Aizen cannot use Kyoka suigetsu in this mode. He would have against Ichigo if he could. 👆

Even if he could though, Madara can activate his genjutsu by looking at someone, not even needing visual contact. If he did use it, Aizen would be ****ed in the ass. Not to mention that sharingan can see through any illusion if you're stronger than the caster, which as I have already indisputably proved, Madara is.

Yes Bleach characters can take crazy amounts of damage, but still nothing compared to Naruto characters. Naruto characters fight for hours with continent and country busting attacks, Bleach characters fight for seconds to minutes with city block/town busting attacks. 👆

Aizen has more battle experience, but Madara is still much stronger and smarter, considering he can see into the future and steal peoples intelligence.

The hogyoku does nothing for this form of Aizen. If anything, it's a debilitating item, because if he suffers a certain amount of damage it will destroy his soul reaper powers.

Aizen can barely fly at all compared to Tsuchikage, and we saw how that turned out for him. Flight will do nothing when you can't dodge your opponents attacks, get out of their range or fly fast enough to blitz them. Aizen can do none of these, as his flight was laughably slower than Ichigo's which was only able to cross a town in five seconds, which is slow compared to Tsuchikage and Gaara flying to a different continent in just a few short minutes.

Again, Aizen loses in all aspects other than fighting experience. Madara rapes him.

The lightning country is not a continent it is just a country it is not seperated from the rest of the ninja world. The ninja world map itself is shows the 5 countries on one continent... also what does that have to do with madara's chakra.... that is the jyubbi's chakra.....Madara is not itachi his sharingan does need eye contact for illusion based techniques.... your missing my point about the bleach spiritual pressure thing i never said nobody can hurt anybody the examples i clearly show the rules of engagment when it comesto spiritual pressure. in bleach If it is strong enough it can negate the attacks ability to harm you that is fact. It even works with kido and hado. there have been instances throughout the series where the attacks just get tanked by those whose reatsu is on another level. its happened again when Ichigo attacked grimmjow with his shikai the first time they met. his sword couldnt even cut grimmjow in that form. In the bleach series its happened more times than the examples ive put up. Did you not read what aizen or kenpachi said.

It seems you love madara if your really suggesting that tsunade is a speedster. Madara doesnt have speed feats reaction time maybe but speed feats youd have to show me. Either way aizen is faster than that rasensshuriken everyone on here is so hard about with shunpo. using it shinigami have travelled immense distances.

I mean where are they getting these calculations from. Does the person who calculated it have a math degree what makes him credible. If he doesnt have any of those things i disregard his calculations. Aizen didnt dodge the attack because yama was holding his leg ....

The only reason the hogyoku stopped evolving aizen was because of urahara's spell he casted. also why cant he use kyoka the sword is fused to Aizen just like ichigos and they both were trancended passed both hollow and shinigami. If aizen cant use his release then ichigo shouldnt have been able to also.

one could even argue that the hogyoku could help Aizen to negate the sharingan genjutsu since it is always pumping its power into aizen. it has a mind of its own.

another example of enormous spiritual pressure and its effects
Aizen causes a Human soul to collapse and fade away by standing a few feet away from him By his own claim, if Don Kanonji had come into contact with Aizen, Don would have ceased to exist.When Aizen touched Gin Ichimaru's arm, his Reatsu caused the area touched to dissolve.

aizen also has a teleportation feat that he used a couple times during the fight with ichigo. Aizen can de-materialize himself in one place and re-materialize himself a distance away. He breaks down his body into multiple purple shards and reassembles himself

aizen also has regeneration feats.

Uraharas kido 96 is what caused the hogyoku the reject him. It sealed aizens power therfore the hogyoku could not enhance them and as a result it rejected him as his master.... madara doesnt have anything in his repetoire that can produce the same effect as kido 96

"The Hōgyoku is able to manifest the desires of those around it. However, this manifestation will not be successful unless the possessors of those desires have the strength to carry it out. In a way, its ability might be better termed a 'guiding force'. " - aizen sousuke

Originally posted by yungz22
Uraharas kido 96 is what caused the hogyoku the reject him. It sealed aizens power therfore the hogyoku could not enhance them and as a result it rejected him as his master.... madara doesnt have anything in his repetoire that can produce the same effect as kido 96

You really need to stop making shit up. It's pitiful, and you've now been branded a lying fanboy. 👆

Originally posted by yungz22
another example of enormous spiritual pressure and its effects
Aizen causes a Human soul to collapse and fade away by standing a few feet away from him By his own claim, if Don Kanonji had come into contact with Aizen, Don would have ceased to exist.When Aizen touched Gin Ichimaru's arm, his Reatsu caused the area touched to dissolve.

aizen also has a teleportation feat that he used a couple times during the fight with ichigo. Aizen can de-materialize himself in one place and re-materialize himself a distance away. He breaks down his body into multiple purple shards and reassembles himself

aizen also has regeneration feats.

That has nothing to do with this fight. Again, Aizen is nowhere near as strong as Madara, so if anyone would vanish from being in contact with a stronger aura, it would be Aizen.

That's dematerialization. It's just a fancy version of Sonido. Something that simply makes you move fast, only Aizen's looks different. It's not teleportation because Ichigo still blitzed Aizen while using it. 👆

Madara also has regeneration feats.

This is Aizen's best regeneration feat.

This is Madara's. Instantly regenerating from complete atomic separation. He instantly regenerated from his atoms being disassembled.

Originally posted by yungz22
The lightning country is not a continent it is just a country it is not seperated from the rest of the ninja world. The ninja world map itself is shows the 5 countries on one continent... also what does that have to do with madara's chakra.... that is the jyubbi's chakra.....Madara is not itachi his sharingan does need eye contact for illusion based techniques.... your missing my point about the bleach spiritual pressure thing i never said nobody can hurt anybody the examples i clearly show the rules of engagment when it comesto spiritual pressure. in bleach If it is strong enough it can negate the attacks ability to harm you that is fact. It even works with kido and hado. there have been instances throughout the series where the attacks just get tanked by those whose reatsu is on another level. its happened again when Ichigo attacked grimmjow with his shikai the first time they met. his sword couldnt even cut grimmjow in that form. In the bleach series its happened more times than the examples ive put up. Did you not read what aizen or kenpachi said.

It seems you love madara if your really suggesting that tsunade is a speedster. Madara doesnt have speed feats reaction time maybe but speed feats youd have to show me. Either way aizen is faster than that rasensshuriken everyone on here is so hard about with shunpo. using it shinigami have travelled immense distances.

I mean where are they getting these calculations from. Does the person who calculated it have a math degree what makes him credible. If he doesnt have any of those things i disregard his calculations. Aizen didnt dodge the attack because yama was holding his leg ....

The only reason the hogyoku stopped evolving aizen was because of urahara's spell he casted. also why cant he use kyoka the sword is fused to Aizen just like ichigos and they both were trancended passed both hollow and shinigami. If aizen cant use his release then ichigo shouldnt have been able to also.

one could even argue that the hogyoku could help Aizen to negate the sharingan genjutsu since it is always pumping its power into aizen. it has a mind of its own.

This is the planet of Naruto. As you can see, the lands are joined together, making it a supercontinent. The lightning country takes up more than a seventh of its land mass. This means? The lightning country is the size of a large continent, like South America. 👆

The only genjutsu that requires eye contact in all of Naruto is Tsukiyomi. Most genjutsu require seals or hand signs. If you have sharingan however, you can cast adept Uchiha genjutsu that only requires visual contact, or in Itachi's case, pointing. Hell, even Izanami only required you to utter the name of the attack.

The Jyuubi's chakra made the meteor that Madara conjured with a gesture before he even had a single Biju? No, Madara summoned the town sized meteor, that could continent bust, which is why Onoki said they needed to stop it or the war would be over. 👆

For the last time you dense phuck, that is the same for EVERY action series. If you are stronger than someone to a great extent, they can't hurt you. Again, the Bleach characters only have reiatsu, which is active permanently because they are souls. Naruto characters have to summon their chakra with their will, it isn't being used unless they want it to be. It doesn't matter though, because Madara has VASTLY superior strength, durability, speed and energy feats. 👆

Ichigo couldn't cut Grimmjow because of his hierro, retard. Just fyi, that's spiritual resistance.

"Shunpo isn't the same speed for all shinigami. Aizen's shunpo is still not anywhere near as fast as Gin's bankai, which was calced to be less than mach 50. Aizen wasn't even able to outrun the explosion of Yamamoto's shikai, which explodes at roughly mach 24. Going from the maps in Naruto, the ocean Madara's blast covered was about the size of the pacific ocean. Since the blast traveled through the bulk of it's distance, we can infer from scaling that it was around 12,300 miles long. Calcing that it traveled that in five seconds, the blast was going around 8,856,000 mph, or mach 11,531. Hashirama dodged this easily, meaning his reaction speed is above that. Madara with Rinnegan was even stronger and faster, meaning he is well above mach 11,531, at least with reaction speed. "

If you're too stupid to understand simple mathematics, that's your problem, not mine.

Calculations happen to be much more reliable than your fanboy assumptions of Aizen being faster than lightning. 👆

As I explained a hundred times already, the hogyoku only powers you up to a certain extent, as the scans I've posted prove. 👆